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Tennis4you Chat Threads / Re: Ye Olde Castle Vol. 16 | Return of the legend, El Puto Jefe
« Last post by Clash on Yesterday at 03:42:28 PM »I told you Robben was gonna score once 
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General Discussions / Re: do you believe in God?
« Last post by jesse james on Yesterday at 03:14:43 PM »i just have far toomany reasons to belive in something .... believe in god. i can't get mad at anyone because ifeel i know it's myself i am getting amd at and that doesn't make any sense to me. anyway in time you will find out..in you too, jesse. you will and maybe ill be there for you.
What's your best reason?
I am not sure if I want to get into that discussion at all. I am not going to be here all that much so it doesn't really serve a solid purpose for a good discussion. Besides, I have no intention of convincing you or anyone - not that I feel I'll be able to convince anyone anyway.
that's a cop out.
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General Discussions / Re: do you believe in God?
« Last post by jesse james on Yesterday at 03:13:25 PM »I can't believe in a man-made God. However I do believe in the possibility of a super-being that has engineered all this. Not likely, and not particularly relevant. Even is such a being exists, he obviously set something in motion many billions of years ago and intends to just sit back and watch it unfold.
yeah, that sounds plausible, but even if it were so-how would we know it were so?
If revealed religions don't tell us anything how could a god who hasn't bothered to reveal himself be known?
In principle we'd never know the difference between a godless universe and a universe which god created then abandoned, they'd function exactly the same.
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« Last post by Escude on Yesterday at 03:10:19 PM »Dortmund tie it! 
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General Discussions / Re: do you believe in God?
« Last post by jesse james on Yesterday at 03:09:03 PM »Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree: And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place." (Deuteronomy 12:2-3)
"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own-- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism."
Einstein
Regarding Einstein's quote, he never really believed in a personal God; neither did he believe in a God who's vengeful, but that doesn't mean he didn't believe in something far superior and intellectual than us. His thoughts in his later stage of life reveals a lot of it. He thought the Universe was too magnificently and orderly designed to be a fluke or just a plain random act of 'nature'. Scientists have already done all sorts of experiments and yet to come up with any orderly design such as the Universe. Not even the tiniest fraction of it. We ourselves see that we can't create anything on this planet without thinking about it first. A thought always has to exist before you can manifest anything that of material nature. Simply put, you have never gone or done anything without thinking about it first. So what comes first? You or your thoughts?
Also, the God you are talking about and slamming on, jesse, is the God of religion which is mostly manmade. You would, that is if you are really curious about your own being and wonder about the true nature of your reality, you'd seek it on your own. All the great ones have done it. You are an intelligent being who is not only aware of himself but can also question its own existence. And you are gifted. So why not seek and see what you can find. Do you want things to be only conceptual or do you want to experience it as well? Do you like the idea of sex? Is it good enough just to know? or do you want to experience it as well? What good is it if it's not experienced as well?
well what you're talking about with regard to Einstein in the first paragraph is the Teleological argument, and i don't see why you need to refer to Einstein for this, it's one of the oldest arguments there is for the existence of god. There are quite a few arguments that easily deal with the design argument, the anthropic principle, for example. It doesn't work in it's own terms either, because it works by a mistaken analogy ie the watchmaker.
Which comes first 'you or your thoughts' is a distraction in terms of this discussion, it's not going anywhere.
As for my reference to god in relation to religion, of course the discourse will revolve around that, it's through religions that god is traditionally and overwhelmingly understood. After all, if god is privatized, a subjective, internalized notion, it undermines the central doctrine that all religions have held sacred, that transcendence is achieved through revealed truths that are both social and ubiquitous.
This solipsistic notion of god would cut every believer off from others because nothing meaningful could ever be said about god.
Here's Wittgenstein to explain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_language_argument
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« Last post by Escude on Yesterday at 03:04:45 PM »Bayern GOAL 
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« Last post by Escude on Yesterday at 03:03:55 PM »Nicole 
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« Last post by Escude on Yesterday at 03:03:40 PM »Hello Emma, FedFanForever, i'm the newbie here 
Why the hell is everybody angry?the riots started since i came
How ironic everyone flocks to this forum as soon as it gets confrontational
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General Discussions / Re: do you believe in God?
« Last post by Emma on Yesterday at 02:53:07 PM »I can't believe in a man-made God. However I do believe in the possibility of a super-being that has engineered all this. Not likely, and not particularly relevant. Even is such a being exists, he obviously set something in motion many billions of years ago and intends to just sit back and watch it unfold.
It never set anything billions of years ago - the big bang as you mean. That's our human understanding of time and space, and therefore, the condition we live in currently. In its mind, 'now' is the only time that exists. Basically, everything is happening in the present moment. In fact, if you travel at the same speed of light, time stands still. Many out of body experiencers will tell you about such a thing where time has no place. Or it simply doesn't exist. That too is a form of reality, albeit a very different one that we live in right now. Who is to say there should only be one form of reality? And just 't because you didn't experience it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist at all. One can't afford to be so naive.