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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #280 on: October 20, 2008, 08:14:37 PM »
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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #281 on: October 21, 2008, 08:35:05 AM »
Do you guys think the Powell endorsement was about race.  You know I'm for Obama, but I think there may be a racial element involved here as well.  I asked myself, would Powell endorse Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden?  The answer I came up with was "no way."  They have almost the same philosophy as Obama, so what is the difference?  hmmmmmmmmm  I still hope Obama wins anyway, but just saying....

Doubt it. Barack was still black 3 months ago, so if the Powell endorsement was purely based on race, he would have endorsed Obama long ago. I think it's interesting how McCain supporters are never faced with such a question. On Meet the Press this past Sunday, he gave very detailed, well thought out, convincing reasons for supporting Obama.

One thing we should take note of is the fact that the republican party has been taken over by neo cons, true conservatives no longer call the shots in the republican party. People like Powell and  Buckley are true conservatives or RINO's as they are sometimes called. So, his endorsement of Obama has a lot to do with the fact that he as well as many true conservatives do not like the direction the republican party is headed as well as the McCain campaign tactics. I truly believe that his endorsement of Senator Obama is genuine.

I hope you are right, although in the end it doesn't really matter.  There are so many whites out there who will not vote for Obama based on his race.  It's truly a shame that the racial dynamics are really becoming strong in this race.  I think an Obama loss, as unlikely as that loooks right now, would set this Nation back 50 years.
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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #282 on: October 21, 2008, 08:36:33 AM »
Do you guys think the Powell endorsement was about race.  You know I'm for Obama, but I think there may be a racial element involved here as well.  I asked myself, would Powell endorse Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden?  The answer I came up with was "no way."  They have almost the same philosophy as Obama, so what is the difference?  hmmmmmmmmm  I still hope Obama wins anyway, but just saying....

Powell has never struck me as very race conscious. I think it has to do with partnerships rather than race.

I've always thought Powell was a good guy, if not sometimes misguided by the Bush admin.
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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #283 on: October 21, 2008, 07:47:41 PM »
Do you guys think the Powell endorsement was about race.  You know I'm for Obama, but I think there may be a racial element involved here as well.  I asked myself, would Powell endorse Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden?  The answer I came up with was "no way."  They have almost the same philosophy as Obama, so what is the difference?  hmmmmmmmmm  I still hope Obama wins anyway, but just saying....

Doubt it. Barack was still black 3 months ago, so if the Powell endorsement was purely based on race, he would have endorsed Obama long ago. I think it's interesting how McCain supporters are never faced with such a question. On Meet the Press this past Sunday, he gave very detailed, well thought out, convincing reasons for supporting Obama.

One thing we should take note of is the fact that the republican party has been taken over by neo cons, true conservatives no longer call the shots in the republican party. People like Powell and  Buckley are true conservatives or RINO's as they are sometimes called. So, his endorsement of Obama has a lot to do with the fact that he as well as many true conservatives do not like the direction the republican party is headed as well as the McCain campaign tactics. I truly believe that his endorsement of Senator Obama is genuine.

I hope you are right, although in the end it doesn't really matter.  There are so many whites out there who will not vote for Obama based on his race.  It's truly a shame that the racial dynamics are really becoming strong in this race.  I think an Obama loss, as unlikely as that loooks right now, would set this Nation back 50 years.

Well, maybe they can look at the 'white' side of him instead? :innocent:  His mother is white, his dad was black.  I know... I know... in American if you have even a drop of black blood in you, you're considered black.   :rofl_2:

Man, I'm going to be in Washington, DC ON election day.  I bet it will be crazy there.  And yes, I have already voted! :))

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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #284 on: October 22, 2008, 05:25:31 AM »
Do you guys think the Powell endorsement was about race.  You know I'm for Obama, but I think there may be a racial element involved here as well.  I asked myself, would Powell endorse Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden?  The answer I came up with was "no way."  They have almost the same philosophy as Obama, so what is the difference?  hmmmmmmmmm  I still hope Obama wins anyway, but just saying....

Doubt it. Barack was still black 3 months ago, so if the Powell endorsement was purely based on race, he would have endorsed Obama long ago. I think it's interesting how McCain supporters are never faced with such a question. On Meet the Press this past Sunday, he gave very detailed, well thought out, convincing reasons for supporting Obama.

One thing we should take note of is the fact that the republican party has been taken over by neo cons, true conservatives no longer call the shots in the republican party. People like Powell and  Buckley are true conservatives or RINO's as they are sometimes called. So, his endorsement of Obama has a lot to do with the fact that he as well as many true conservatives do not like the direction the republican party is headed as well as the McCain campaign tactics. I truly believe that his endorsement of Senator Obama is genuine.

I hope you are right, although in the end it doesn't really matter.  There are so many whites out there who will not vote for Obama based on his race.  It's truly a shame that the racial dynamics are really becoming strong in this race.  I think an Obama loss, as unlikely as that loooks right now, would set this Nation back 50 years.

Well, maybe they can look at the 'white' side of him instead? :innocent:  His mother is white, his dad was black.  I know... I know... in American if you have even a drop of black blood in you, you're considered black.   :rofl_2:

Man, I'm going to be in Washington, DC ON election day.  I bet it will be crazy there.  And yes, I have already voted! :))
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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #285 on: October 22, 2008, 01:43:47 PM »
This probably has something to do with me not being an American and understand the politics very well and the love for baseball, but this is one of the most stupid things I have ever read:


US Republican presidential candidate John McCain has accused his rival, Barack Obama, of supporting both teams playing in the baseball World Series.

The baseball championship series begins on Wednesday, and both teams - the Tampa Bay Rays and the Philadelphia Phillies - are from key swing states.

Senator McCain said Mr Obama backed the Phillies when in Pennsylvania and rooted for Tampa Bay when in Florida.

But the Obama campaign said that its candidate was a Chicago White Sox fan.


An important election and McCain is having a go at his rival for supporting 2 teams?  :Confused:

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« Reply #286 on: October 22, 2008, 01:47:25 PM »
This probably has something to do with me not being an American and understand the politics very well and the love for baseball, but this is one of the most stupid things I have ever read:


US Republican presidential candidate John McCain has accused his rival, Barack Obama, of supporting both teams playing in the baseball World Series.

The baseball championship series begins on Wednesday, and both teams - the Tampa Bay Rays and the Philadelphia Phillies - are from key swing states.

Senator McCain said Mr Obama backed the Phillies when in Pennsylvania and rooted for Tampa Bay when in Florida.

But the Obama campaign said that its candidate was a Chicago White Sox fan.


An important election and McCain is having a go at his rival for supporting 2 teams?  :Confused:
...or an indication of someone unwilling to take a stand on something as simple as baseball team. :Confused:

Or perhaps he just doesn't care..... :Confused:      How UnAmerican! :rofl_2:
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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #287 on: October 22, 2008, 05:59:33 PM »
This probably has something to do with me not being an American and understand the politics very well and the love for baseball, but this is one of the most stupid things I have ever read:


US Republican presidential candidate John McCain has accused his rival, Barack Obama, of supporting both teams playing in the baseball World Series.

The baseball championship series begins on Wednesday, and both teams - the Tampa Bay Rays and the Philadelphia Phillies - are from key swing states.

Senator McCain said Mr Obama backed the Phillies when in Pennsylvania and rooted for Tampa Bay when in Florida.

But the Obama campaign said that its candidate was a Chicago White Sox fan.


An important election and McCain is having a go at his rival for supporting 2 teams?  :Confused:
...or an indication of someone unwilling to take a stand on something as simple as baseball team. :Confused:

Or perhaps he just doesn't care..... :Confused:      How UnAmerican! :rofl_2:

Or willing to sell his allegiance for a few votes. But really, who cares. That pretty much describes any politician, including McCain. Who is he; getting on a high horse?

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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #288 on: October 22, 2008, 08:10:52 PM »
Do you guys think the Powell endorsement was about race.  You know I'm for Obama, but I think there may be a racial element involved here as well.  I asked myself, would Powell endorse Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden?  The answer I came up with was "no way."  They have almost the same philosophy as Obama, so what is the difference?  hmmmmmmmmm  I still hope Obama wins anyway, but just saying....

Doubt it. Barack was still black 3 months ago, so if the Powell endorsement was purely based on race, he would have endorsed Obama long ago. I think it's interesting how McCain supporters are never faced with such a question. On Meet the Press this past Sunday, he gave very detailed, well thought out, convincing reasons for supporting Obama.

One thing we should take note of is the fact that the republican party has been taken over by neo cons, true conservatives no longer call the shots in the republican party. People like Powell and  Buckley are true conservatives or RINO's as they are sometimes called. So, his endorsement of Obama has a lot to do with the fact that he as well as many true conservatives do not like the direction the republican party is headed as well as the McCain campaign tactics. I truly believe that his endorsement of Senator Obama is genuine.

I hope you are right, although in the end it doesn't really matter.  There are so many whites out there who will not vote for Obama based on his race.  It's truly a shame that the racial dynamics are really becoming strong in this race.  I think an Obama loss, as unlikely as that loooks right now, would set this Nation back 50 years.

Well, maybe they can look at the 'white' side of him instead? :innocent:  His mother is white, his dad was black.  I know... I know... in American if you have even a drop of black blood in you, you're considered black.   :rofl_2:

Man, I'm going to be in Washington, DC ON election day.  I bet it will be crazy there.  And yes, I have already voted! :))
DC on election day?  WOW!
Any plans as to where you'll be watching the election results roll in during the day/evening?

Well, I'm going to meet another poster here earlier that day to put a face with a name. Then I'll probably hang around the hotel that night because  I'm sure it'll be crazy there.  My hotel is about 3 blocks from the Capitol building too.  The rest of the week will be busy in conferences and I have to do a presentation on that Thursday.  I can relax after that presentation.  Hopefully it'll be a "good" week for me as far as the votes go...

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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #289 on: October 22, 2008, 08:39:16 PM »
Do you guys think the Powell endorsement was about race.  You know I'm for Obama, but I think there may be a racial element involved here as well.  I asked myself, would Powell endorse Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden?  The answer I came up with was "no way."  They have almost the same philosophy as Obama, so what is the difference?  hmmmmmmmmm  I still hope Obama wins anyway, but just saying....

Doubt it. Barack was still black 3 months ago, so if the Powell endorsement was purely based on race, he would have endorsed Obama long ago. I think it's interesting how McCain supporters are never faced with such a question. On Meet the Press this past Sunday, he gave very detailed, well thought out, convincing reasons for supporting Obama.

One thing we should take note of is the fact that the republican party has been taken over by neo cons, true conservatives no longer call the shots in the republican party. People like Powell and  Buckley are true conservatives or RINO's as they are sometimes called. So, his endorsement of Obama has a lot to do with the fact that he as well as many true conservatives do not like the direction the republican party is headed as well as the McCain campaign tactics. I truly believe that his endorsement of Senator Obama is genuine.

I hope you are right, although in the end it doesn't really matter.  There are so many whites out there who will not vote for Obama based on his race.  It's truly a shame that the racial dynamics are really becoming strong in this race.  I think an Obama loss, as unlikely as that loooks right now, would set this Nation back 50 years.

Well, maybe they can look at the 'white' side of him instead? :innocent:  His mother is white, his dad was black.  I know... I know... in American if you have even a drop of black blood in you, you're considered black.   :rofl_2:

Man, I'm going to be in Washington, DC ON election day.  I bet it will be crazy there.  And yes, I have already voted! :))
DC on election day?  WOW!
Any plans as to where you'll be watching the election results roll in during the day/evening?

Well, I'm going to meet another poster here earlier that day to put a face with a name. Then I'll probably hang around the hotel that night because  I'm sure it'll be crazy there.  My hotel is about 3 blocks from the Capitol building too.  The rest of the week will be busy in conferences and I have to do a presentation on that Thursday.  I can relax after that presentation.  Hopefully it'll be a "good" week for me as far as the votes go...

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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #290 on: October 22, 2008, 08:43:15 PM »
Do you guys think the Powell endorsement was about race.  You know I'm for Obama, but I think there may be a racial element involved here as well.  I asked myself, would Powell endorse Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden?  The answer I came up with was "no way."  They have almost the same philosophy as Obama, so what is the difference?  hmmmmmmmmm  I still hope Obama wins anyway, but just saying....

Doubt it. Barack was still black 3 months ago, so if the Powell endorsement was purely based on race, he would have endorsed Obama long ago. I think it's interesting how McCain supporters are never faced with such a question. On Meet the Press this past Sunday, he gave very detailed, well thought out, convincing reasons for supporting Obama.

One thing we should take note of is the fact that the republican party has been taken over by neo cons, true conservatives no longer call the shots in the republican party. People like Powell and  Buckley are true conservatives or RINO's as they are sometimes called. So, his endorsement of Obama has a lot to do with the fact that he as well as many true conservatives do not like the direction the republican party is headed as well as the McCain campaign tactics. I truly believe that his endorsement of Senator Obama is genuine.

I hope you are right, although in the end it doesn't really matter.  There are so many whites out there who will not vote for Obama based on his race.  It's truly a shame that the racial dynamics are really becoming strong in this race.  I think an Obama loss, as unlikely as that loooks right now, would set this Nation back 50 years.

Well, maybe they can look at the 'white' side of him instead? :innocent:  His mother is white, his dad was black.  I know... I know... in American if you have even a drop of black blood in you, you're considered black.   :rofl_2:

Man, I'm going to be in Washington, DC ON election day.  I bet it will be crazy there.  And yes, I have already voted! :))
DC on election day?  WOW!
Any plans as to where you'll be watching the election results roll in during the day/evening?

Well, I'm going to meet another poster here earlier that day to put a face with a name. Then I'll probably hang around the hotel that night because  I'm sure it'll be crazy there.  My hotel is about 3 blocks from the Capitol building too.  The rest of the week will be busy in conferences and I have to do a presentation on that Thursday.  I can relax after that presentation.  Hopefully it'll be a "good" week for me as far as the votes go...

euroka lives out that way. Don't blow off euroka, Dallas. He liked us O.K., so just don't make an ass of yourself when you meet him and you'll get along just fine.

Yes Euroka and I will be meeting earlier that day.  And I NEVER makes an ... out of myself!  Never, ever!!!!! I'm cool, and calm.  The only one I may go overboard and really make an ...out of myself is when and if I ever meet Roger the man himself!!! :rofl_2:

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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #291 on: October 22, 2008, 10:02:42 PM »

Yes Euroka and I will be meeting earlier that day.  And I NEVER makes an ... out of myself!  Never, ever!!!!! I'm cool, and calm.  The only one I may go overboard and really make an ...out of myself is when and if I ever meet Roger the man himself!!! :rofl_2:

You mean you don't .. ..-).. over a certain Swiss tennis player (or two)

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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #292 on: October 23, 2008, 10:57:55 PM »

Yes Euroka and I will be meeting earlier that day.  And I NEVER makes an ... out of myself!  Never, ever!!!!! I'm cool, and calm.  The only one I may go overboard and really make an ...out of myself is when and if I ever meet Roger the man himself!!! :rofl_2:

You mean you don't .. ..-).. over a certain Swiss tennis player (or two)

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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #293 on: October 26, 2008, 11:18:05 PM »
Alaska's largest newspaper endorses Obama

4 hours ago

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) — The Anchorage Daily News, Alaska's largest newspaper, endorsed Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama Sunday after declaring Gov. Sarah Palin "too risky" to be one step away from the Oval Office.

"Like picking (Republican presidential candidate John) McCain for president, putting her one 72-year-old heartbeat from the leadership of the free world is just too risky at this time," The Daily News said.

The newspaper said Obama "brings far more promise to the office. In a time of grave economic crisis, he displays thoughtful analysis, enlists wise counsel and operates with a cool, steady hand."

The Daily News said since the economic crisis has emerged, McCain has "stumbled and fumbled badly" in dealing with it.

"Of the two candidates, Sen. Obama better understands the mortgage meltdown's root causes and has the judgment and intelligence to shape a solution, as well as the leadership to rally the country behind it," the paper said.

The Daily News said Palin has shown the country why she is a success as governor. But the paper said few would argue that Palin is truly ready to step into the job of being president despite her passion, charisma and strong work ethic.

"Gov. Palin's nomination clearly alters the landscape for Alaskans as we survey this race for the presidency — but it does not overwhelm all other judgment. The election, after all is said and done, is not about Sarah Palin, and our sober view is that her running mate, Sen. John McCain, is the wrong choice for president at this critical time for our nation," the paper said.


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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #294 on: October 27, 2008, 10:19:47 AM »
Alaska's largest newspaper endorses Obama

4 hours ago

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) — The Anchorage Daily News, Alaska's largest newspaper, endorsed Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama Sunday after declaring Gov. Sarah Palin "too risky" to be one step away from the Oval Office.

"Like picking (Republican presidential candidate John) McCain for president, putting her one 72-year-old heartbeat from the leadership of the free world is just too risky at this time," The Daily News said.

The newspaper said Obama "brings far more promise to the office. In a time of grave economic crisis, he displays thoughtful  :rofl_2:analysis, enlists wise counsel and operates with a cool, steady hand."

The Daily News said since the economic crisis has emerged, McCain has "stumbled and fumbled badly" in dealing with it.

"Of the two candidates, Sen. Obama better understands the mortgage meltdown's root causes and has the judgment and intelligence to shape a solution, as well as the leadership to rally the country behind it," the paper said.

The Daily News said Palin has shown the country why she is a success as governor. But the paper said few would argue that Palin is truly ready to step into the job of being president despite her passion, charisma and strong work ethic.

"Gov. Palin's nomination clearly alters the landscape for Alaskans as we survey this race for the presidency — but it does not overwhelm all other judgment. The election, after all is said and done, is not about Sarah Palin, and our sober view is that her running mate, Sen. John McCain, is the wrong choice for president at this critical time for our nation," the paper said.

Not to mention that Palin's husband wants Alaska to break apart from the US.  Is that patriotic?   :rofl_2:
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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #295 on: October 27, 2008, 11:12:09 AM »
Alaska's largest newspaper endorses Obama

4 hours ago

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) — The Anchorage Daily News, Alaska's largest newspaper, endorsed Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama Sunday after declaring Gov. Sarah Palin "too risky" to be one step away from the Oval Office.

"Like picking (Republican presidential candidate John) McCain for president, putting her one 72-year-old heartbeat from the leadership of the free world is just too risky at this time," The Daily News said.

The newspaper said Obama "brings far more promise to the office. In a time of grave economic crisis, he displays thoughtful analysis, enlists wise counsel and operates with a cool, steady hand."

The Daily News said since the economic crisis has emerged, McCain has "stumbled and fumbled badly" in dealing with it.

"Of the two candidates, Sen. Obama better understands the mortgage meltdown's root causes and has the judgment and intelligence to shape a solution, as well as the leadership to rally the country behind it," the paper said.

The Daily News said Palin has shown the country why she is a success as governor. But the paper said few would argue that Palin is truly ready to step into the job of being president despite her passion, charisma and strong work ethic.

"Gov. Palin's nomination clearly alters the landscape for Alaskans as we survey this race for the presidency — but it does not overwhelm all other judgment. The election, after all is said and done, is not about Sarah Palin, and our sober view is that her running mate, Sen. John McCain, is the wrong choice for president at this critical time for our nation," the paper said.

Well that's a slap in the face to the Republicians... :rofl_2:

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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #296 on: October 27, 2008, 04:23:13 PM »
It's in the bag. It's been in the bag in the primaries.
Sometimes, though, it's not really a good thing to get what you wish for.
In this case the democrates will control both the executive and the congress. They will be in near complete control. But we won't be any better off than we are now, or were 4 years ago. In fact it may very well be much much worse. And it will be blamed on Obama, and the democrates, just like it was with Carter in the '70s.

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« Reply #297 on: October 27, 2008, 04:55:51 PM »
It's in the bag. It's been in the bag in the primaries.
Sometimes, though, it's not really a good thing to get what you wish for.
In this case the democrates will control both the executive and the congress. They will be in near complete control. But we won't be any better off than we are now, or were 4 years ago. In fact it may very well be much much worse. And it will be blamed on Obama, and the democrates, just like it was with Carter in the '70s.

Well, if the Republicans get control it'll be much much worse so we can't win then... but I still rather see a change somewhere than the way it's going now.  (just me).

I've already voted.  What about you guys?  I went the first day of our early voting since I'll be traveling on the actual voting day.

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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #298 on: October 27, 2008, 05:07:46 PM »
Dmast, the chances of it getting worse has to be very very low! 

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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #299 on: October 27, 2008, 05:09:00 PM »
I voted last night on an absentee ballot.