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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #340 on: November 04, 2008, 09:06:44 PM »
If you liked Hillary, then I assume it was based on policy and not on gender? If that is in fact the case, I don't  follow how one could like Hillary but "dislike" Obama unless they based their vote on superficiality. Now, to prefer one to the other is another thing. "This guy scares me" is an irrational fear held by many on  the extreme right. He's not scary, he's not a "commie" or a socialist. Most moderate republicans, independents, liberals and democrats are just fine with Obama(clearly). I see some things in this thread that I really want to respond to, but frankly, I feel too ill to even go there tonight. But I will say, this country will never be Libertarian or Communist for that matter, taxes are necessary and so are social services. If these things are too much for you to bare, why not move? Anyhow things are looking good so far, happy about that. :))
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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #341 on: November 04, 2008, 09:16:52 PM »
Seriously Dmast, what is with the "this guy scares me" bit? 

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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #342 on: November 04, 2008, 09:21:21 PM »
If you liked Hillary, then I assume it was based on policy and not on gender? If that is in fact the case, I don't  follow how one could like Hillary but "dislike" Obama unless they based their vote on superficiality.
it's not about gender or race, I think Hillary was more prepared, ready for the job and she is a wonderful politician. She was my candidate.
I only disliked Obama because she beat my candidate! 
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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #343 on: November 04, 2008, 09:23:58 PM »
People celebrating in downtown Chicago!! 

Barack Obama (200) wins in the capital and Pensylvania, Connecticut, Delaware, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Vermont, New Hampshire, Michigan, Wisconsin, Rhode Island, Minesota, New York, New México, Iowa and the crucial state of Ohio.

John McCain (78) wins Kentucky, South Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Alabama, Wyoming, North Dakota, West Virginia, Louisiana, Mississippi  and Utah.


10:40 pm Obama 51.1 % (207) / McCain 48.9 % (135)
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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #344 on: November 04, 2008, 09:26:24 PM »
If you liked Hillary, then I assume it was based on policy and not on gender? If that is in fact the case, I don't  follow how one could like Hillary but "dislike" Obama unless they based their vote on superficiality.
it's not about gender or race, I think Hillary was more prepared, ready for the job and she is a wonderful politician. She was my candidate.
I only disliked Obama because she beat my candidate! 

"wonderful politician" that's not, to me, a glowing concept. Politicians are leaches. They exist only to get re-elected. They make deals with anybody they need to to get their sponsor's (read: financial backers) programs in. If that helps their constituents, well that's icing on the cake. I have a very low opinion of "politicians."

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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #345 on: November 04, 2008, 10:03:13 PM »
BARACK OBAMA ELECTED PRESIDENT!!!

OBAMA 297 - MCCAIN 139 !!!
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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #346 on: November 04, 2008, 10:06:00 PM »
Seriously Dmast, what is with the "this guy scares me" bit? 

I think Obama is going to equal government at it's most intrusive. He will want to take from the "rich" and give to the poor. But what that really means he will take from anybody that produces and give it to those who produce nothing. He is backed by the very people he seems to be against. Wall Street loves this guy, and that's a huge strike against him in my book.
I remember back in the '90s when I lived in California, there was always a fight to pass a budget. We had a republican govener, Pete Wilson, and a predominately democratic house of representatives. They house would write up a budge loaded with pork for their various special projects, and Wilson refuse to sign it until it was trimmed. They went back and forth every year until the government literally have to get a budget signed to keep paying it's employees. It was always signed at the last minute, but every year it was the same fight. Then Grey Davis was elected governer. A democrat. For the next few years the budget flew through and there was never any problems. It was slick. Until Grey Davis announced (one year after he was reelected) that California was 40 billion in debt, and running at a $10 billion deficit annually. Where did that debt come from? Think those nice budgets that flew through weren't loaded with spending that the state simpley couldn't afford?
Obama is a left leaning democrat who will have a democratic congress and senate. The democrats will be in complete control of the governement for at least 2 years. I see nothing good that can come from this. They will become bigger, fatter, and tax more people more of the time. You may think this is a good thing. You may think this country is screwed up and there are too many people who need help. I think this country takes better care of the needy than most other countries right now. I think the care is there, we don't need more, but will get more.
But the rich will continue to get richer, and the poor will continue to remain poor. That won't change. It never will.

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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #347 on: November 04, 2008, 10:22:54 PM »
Republican John McCain concedes the U.S. election, saying people have spoken clearly.

UP NEXT: PRESIDENT OBAMA!!! WHAT A MOMENT IN TIME!!
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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #348 on: November 04, 2008, 11:16:58 PM »
Seriously Dmast, what is with the "this guy scares me" bit? 

I think Obama is going to equal government at it's most intrusive. He will want to take from the "rich" and give to the poor. But what that really means he will take from anybody that produces and give it to those who produce nothing. He is backed by the very people he seems to be against. Wall Street loves this guy, and that's a huge strike against him in my book.
I remember back in the '90s when I lived in California, there was always a fight to pass a budget. We had a republican govener, Pete Wilson, and a predominately democratic house of representatives. They house would write up a budge loaded with pork for their various special projects, and Wilson refuse to sign it until it was trimmed. They went back and forth every year until the government literally have to get a budget signed to keep paying it's employees. It was always signed at the last minute, but every year it was the same fight. Then Grey Davis was elected governer. A democrat. For the next few years the budget flew through and there was never any problems. It was slick. Until Grey Davis announced (one year after he was reelected) that California was 40 billion in debt, and running at a $10 billion deficit annually. Where did that debt come from? Think those nice budgets that flew through weren't loaded with spending that the state simpley couldn't afford?
Obama is a left leaning democrat who will have a democratic congress and senate. The democrats will be in complete control of the governement for at least 2 years. I see nothing good that can come from this. They will become bigger, fatter, and tax more people more of the time. You may think this is a good thing. You may think this country is screwed up and there are too many people who need help. I think this country takes better care of the needy than most other countries right now. I think the care is there, we don't need more, but will get more.
But the rich will continue to get richer, and the poor will continue to remain poor. That won't change. It never will.

I have one question for you. Who created this deficit in the USA? Was it the democrats? What was the American deficit when Bill Clinton left the office? I'm sure you know where I'm going with this.
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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #349 on: November 04, 2008, 11:32:21 PM »

I have one question for you. Who created this deficit in the USA? Was it democrats? What was the American deficit when Bill Clinton left the office? I'm sure you know where I'm going with this.

George Bush has been a disaster for the budget as president. There is no question about that. It's not going to get better with the new configuratoin. The democrats have controlled congress for the last 4 years, including Obama (and McCain). They are just as much responsible for the budget as the president.
Many republicans see Bush as a traitor to the republican party. A democrat in hiding.

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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #350 on: November 05, 2008, 02:02:12 AM »
Barrack Obama won by a landslide tonight! 

Time will tell what will happen to this country with a Democratic controlled Congress and Democratic President!  In the past; it has not worked out to good for the country.  Most recently when this happen was with President Carter!  19% inflation!  9% unemployment!

Hopefully Obama will be more like Clinton - middle of the road and not progressive left wing idealogy!  If he is middle of the road he will most likely be a "great" president and be re-elected by the same or larger majority!

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« Reply #351 on: November 05, 2008, 02:02:15 AM »

I have one question for you. Who created this deficit in the USA? Was it the democrats? What was the American deficit when Bill Clinton left the office? I'm sure you know where I'm going with this.

George Bush has been a disaster for the budget as president. There is no question about that. It's not going to get better with the new configuratoin. The democrats have controlled congress for the last 4 years, including Obama (and McCain). They are just as much responsible for the budget as the president.
Many republicans see Bush as a traitor to the republican party. A democrat in hiding.
Interesting point, but I'm not so sure.

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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #352 on: November 05, 2008, 04:56:20 AM »
If you liked Hillary, then I assume it was based on policy and not on gender? If that is in fact the case, I don't  follow how one could like Hillary but "dislike" Obama unless they based their vote on superficiality. Now, to prefer one to the other is another thing. "This guy scares me" is an irrational fear held by many on  the extreme right. He's not scary, he's not a "commie" or a socialist. Most moderate republicans, independents, liberals and democrats are just fine with Obama(clearly). I see some things in this thread that I really want to respond to, but frankly, I feel too ill to even go there tonight. But I will say, this country will never be Libertarian or Communist for that matter, taxes are necessary and so are social services. If these things are too much for you to bare, why not move? Anyhow things are looking good so far, happy about that. :))
By that ill-logic, approx. half the people in the U.S. would have to move every 4-8 years! :(

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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #353 on: November 05, 2008, 05:05:19 AM »
Barrack Obama won by a landslide tonight! 

Time will tell what will happen to this country with a Democratic controlled Congress and Democratic President!  In the past; it has not worked out to good for the country.  Most recently when this happen was with President Carter!  19% inflation!  9% unemployment!

Hopefully Obama will be more like Clinton - middle of the road and not progressive left wing idealogy!  If he is middle of the road he will most likely be a "great" president and be re-elected by the same or larger majority!
This is a 'landslide'?
Obama  52%
62,170,724

McCain47%
55,173,953
You're crappin' me with that right? ::))2

So folks, what do you think the first glowing "change"  will be now that the Left will control both the White House and Congress?

Say  :bye1: :bye1: to your hard earned money and personal freedoms.
 :hysterical:  That's what you folks voted for! :hysterical:

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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #354 on: November 05, 2008, 08:02:20 AM »

I have one question for you. Who created this deficit in the USA? Was it democrats? What was the American deficit when Bill Clinton left the office? I'm sure you know where I'm going with this.

George Bush has been a disaster for the budget as president. There is no question about that. It's not going to get better with the new configuratoin. The democrats have controlled congress for the last 4 years, including Obama (and McCain). They are just as much responsible for the budget as the president.
Many republicans see Bush as a traitor to the republican party. A democrat in hiding.

Does it surprise you that Republicans don't want to claim him?   :rofl_2:

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« Reply #355 on: November 05, 2008, 08:03:49 AM »
Barrack Obama won by a landslide tonight! 

Time will tell what will happen to this country with a Democratic controlled Congress and Democratic President!  In the past; it has not worked out to good for the country.  Most recently when this happen was with President Carter!  19% inflation!  9% unemployment!

Hopefully Obama will be more like Clinton - middle of the road and not progressive left wing idealogy!  If he is middle of the road he will most likely be a "great" president and be re-elected by the same or larger majority!
This is a 'landslide'?
Obama  52%
62,170,724

McCain47%
55,173,953
You're crappin' me with that right? ::))2

So folks, what do you think the first glowing "change"  will be now that the Left will control both the White House and Congress?

Say  :bye1: :bye1: to your hard earned money and personal freedoms.
 :hysterical:  That's what you folks voted for! :hysterical:



Are you really that worried, do you really think it will be that bad?  Are you not at all excited at the possibility that this could be the turning point for our country to better more positive times? 

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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #356 on: November 05, 2008, 08:05:54 AM »
Seriously Dmast, what is with the "this guy scares me" bit? 

I think Obama is going to equal government at it's most intrusive. He will want to take from the "rich" and give to the poor. But what that really means he will take from anybody that produces and give it to those who produce nothing. He is backed by the very people he seems to be against. Wall Street loves this guy, and that's a huge strike against him in my book.
I remember back in the '90s when I lived in California, there was always a fight to pass a budget. We had a republican govener, Pete Wilson, and a predominately democratic house of representatives. They house would write up a budge loaded with pork for their various special projects, and Wilson refuse to sign it until it was trimmed. They went back and forth every year until the government literally have to get a budget signed to keep paying it's employees. It was always signed at the last minute, but every year it was the same fight. Then Grey Davis was elected governer. A democrat. For the next few years the budget flew through and there was never any problems. It was slick. Until Grey Davis announced (one year after he was reelected) that California was 40 billion in debt, and running at a $10 billion deficit annually. Where did that debt come from? Think those nice budgets that flew through weren't loaded with spending that the state simpley couldn't afford?
Obama is a left leaning democrat who will have a democratic congress and senate. The democrats will be in complete control of the governement for at least 2 years. I see nothing good that can come from this. They will become bigger, fatter, and tax more people more of the time. You may think this is a good thing. You may think this country is screwed up and there are too many people who need help. I think this country takes better care of the needy than most other countries right now. I think the care is there, we don't need more, but will get more.
But the rich will continue to get richer, and the poor will continue to remain poor. That won't change. It never will.

Are you a one issue voter and is this your hang-up issue?   

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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #357 on: November 05, 2008, 09:12:16 AM »
Seriously Dmast, what is with the "this guy scares me" bit? 

I think Obama is going to equal government at it's most intrusive. He will want to take from the "rich" and give to the poor. But what that really means he will take from anybody that produces and give it to those who produce nothing. He is backed by the very people he seems to be against. Wall Street loves this guy, and that's a huge strike against him in my book.
I remember back in the '90s when I lived in California, there was always a fight to pass a budget. We had a republican govener, Pete Wilson, and a predominately democratic house of representatives. They house would write up a budge loaded with pork for their various special projects, and Wilson refuse to sign it until it was trimmed. They went back and forth every year until the government literally have to get a budget signed to keep paying it's employees. It was always signed at the last minute, but every year it was the same fight. Then Grey Davis was elected governer. A democrat. For the next few years the budget flew through and there was never any problems. It was slick. Until Grey Davis announced (one year after he was reelected) that California was 40 billion in debt, and running at a $10 billion deficit annually. Where did that debt come from? Think those nice budgets that flew through weren't loaded with spending that the state simpley couldn't afford?
Obama is a left leaning democrat who will have a democratic congress and senate. The democrats will be in complete control of the governement for at least 2 years. I see nothing good that can come from this. They will become bigger, fatter, and tax more people more of the time. You may think this is a good thing. You may think this country is screwed up and there are too many people who need help. I think this country takes better care of the needy than most other countries right now. I think the care is there, we don't need more, but will get more.
But the rich will continue to get richer, and the poor will continue to remain poor. That won't change. It never will.

Are you a one issue voter and is this your hang-up issue?   

I pointed out 2 or 3 issues there. One is the probability of our taxes going up, the other is the overall economic heath of the country, and the third is my expectation that this means more government control in our lives.
I think it was Bush senior who said "It's the economy stupid!"
There are other issues. Do I think Obama can get us out of Iraq? No, not any more than Bush could (and yes I know he got us into Iraq). Obama, when asked about how he would deal with Iraq, said he would insist on the Iraqi government taking control of their country so we can get out. You don't think Bush has done that? you don't think that, as soon as we leave Iraq, it will become disaster area? As soon as we leave, there will be internal conflict for control of Iraq, there will be civil war, or Iran will just move in and take over. None of these alternatives are good. If Obama just pulls us out without that's what's going to happen. So we can get out and watch the situation degenerate, or we stay and try to keep things under, at least somewhat, undercontrol.
I can't discuss what will happen to the "war on terror." There's no such thing as a war on terror. Will we get hit again? I don't think it matters if Obama or McCain is president, if they want to hit us, they will hit us. Hopefully they won't.
What other issues do you want me to look at?

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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #358 on: November 05, 2008, 09:15:52 AM »
Seriously Dmast, what is with the "this guy scares me" bit? 

I think Obama is going to equal government at it's most intrusive. He will want to take from the "rich" and give to the poor. But what that really means he will take from anybody that produces and give it to those who produce nothing. He is backed by the very people he seems to be against. Wall Street loves this guy, and that's a huge strike against him in my book.
I remember back in the '90s when I lived in California, there was always a fight to pass a budget. We had a republican govener, Pete Wilson, and a predominately democratic house of representatives. They house would write up a budge loaded with pork for their various special projects, and Wilson refuse to sign it until it was trimmed. They went back and forth every year until the government literally have to get a budget signed to keep paying it's employees. It was always signed at the last minute, but every year it was the same fight. Then Grey Davis was elected governer. A democrat. For the next few years the budget flew through and there was never any problems. It was slick. Until Grey Davis announced (one year after he was reelected) that California was 40 billion in debt, and running at a $10 billion deficit annually. Where did that debt come from? Think those nice budgets that flew through weren't loaded with spending that the state simpley couldn't afford?
Obama is a left leaning democrat who will have a democratic congress and senate. The democrats will be in complete control of the governement for at least 2 years. I see nothing good that can come from this. They will become bigger, fatter, and tax more people more of the time. You may think this is a good thing. You may think this country is screwed up and there are too many people who need help. I think this country takes better care of the needy than most other countries right now. I think the care is there, we don't need more, but will get more.
But the rich will continue to get richer, and the poor will continue to remain poor. That won't change. It never will.

Are you a one issue voter and is this your hang-up issue?   

I pointed out 2 or 3 issues there. One is the probability of our taxes going up, the other is the overall economic heath of the country, and the third is my expectation that this means more government control in our lives.
I think it was Bush senior who said "It's the economy stupid!"
There are other issues. Do I think Obama can get us out of Iraq? No, not any more than Bush could (and yes I know he got us into Iraq). Obama, when asked about how he would deal with Iraq, said he would insist on the Iraqi government taking control of their country so we can get out. You don't think Bush has done that? you don't think that, as soon as we leave Iraq, it will become disaster area? As soon as we leave, there will be internal conflict for control of Iraq, there will be civil war, or Iran will just move in and take over. None of these alternatives are good. If Obama just pulls us out without that's what's going to happen. So we can get out and watch the situation degenerate, or we stay and try to keep things under, at least somewhat, undercontrol.
I can't discuss what will happen to the "war on terror." There's no such thing as a war on terror. Will we get hit again? I don't think it matters if Obama or McCain is president, if they want to hit us, they will hit us. Hopefully they won't.
What other issues do you want me to look at?

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Re: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
« Reply #359 on: November 05, 2008, 09:24:28 AM »
Seriously Dmast, what is with the "this guy scares me" bit? 

I think Obama is going to equal government at it's most intrusive. He will want to take from the "rich" and give to the poor. But what that really means he will take from anybody that produces and give it to those who produce nothing. He is backed by the very people he seems to be against. Wall Street loves this guy, and that's a huge strike against him in my book.
I remember back in the '90s when I lived in California, there was always a fight to pass a budget. We had a republican govener, Pete Wilson, and a predominately democratic house of representatives. They house would write up a budge loaded with pork for their various special projects, and Wilson refuse to sign it until it was trimmed. They went back and forth every year until the government literally have to get a budget signed to keep paying it's employees. It was always signed at the last minute, but every year it was the same fight. Then Grey Davis was elected governer. A democrat. For the next few years the budget flew through and there was never any problems. It was slick. Until Grey Davis announced (one year after he was reelected) that California was 40 billion in debt, and running at a $10 billion deficit annually. Where did that debt come from? Think those nice budgets that flew through weren't loaded with spending that the state simpley couldn't afford?
Obama is a left leaning democrat who will have a democratic congress and senate. The democrats will be in complete control of the governement for at least 2 years. I see nothing good that can come from this. They will become bigger, fatter, and tax more people more of the time. You may think this is a good thing. You may think this country is screwed up and there are too many people who need help. I think this country takes better care of the needy than most other countries right now. I think the care is there, we don't need more, but will get more.
But the rich will continue to get richer, and the poor will continue to remain poor. That won't change. It never will.

Are you a one issue voter and is this your hang-up issue?   

I pointed out 2 or 3 issues there. One is the probability of our taxes going up, the other is the overall economic heath of the country, and the third is my expectation that this means more government control in our lives.
I think it was Bush senior who said "It's the economy stupid!"
There are other issues. Do I think Obama can get us out of Iraq? No, not any more than Bush could (and yes I know he got us into Iraq). Obama, when asked about how he would deal with Iraq, said he would insist on the Iraqi government taking control of their country so we can get out. You don't think Bush has done that? you don't think that, as soon as we leave Iraq, it will become disaster area? As soon as we leave, there will be internal conflict for control of Iraq, there will be civil war, or Iran will just move in and take over. None of these alternatives are good. If Obama just pulls us out without that's what's going to happen. So we can get out and watch the situation degenerate, or we stay and try to keep things under, at least somewhat, undercontrol.
I can't discuss what will happen to the "war on terror." There's no such thing as a war on terror. Will we get hit again? I don't think it matters if Obama or McCain is president, if they want to hit us, they will hit us. Hopefully they won't.
What other issues do you want me to look at?

Taxpayer subsidized healthcare for all. :)

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