Topic: Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie

[OSU Buckeye]

Shame on you Swish for starting this thread..........there will be a fire in here before it is over I expect.  Just kidding, we Americans need to hash out these tough issues.......why not here as well!? 

[The-Raw-Edge]

so both Obama and McCain are bad??  VERY SAD!!

Not only America also Planet Earth needs a great President in the most important country in the world.
Bush was terrible.
When Clinton was president the world was a better place!!

The world will like Obama.  He has respect for all and it more cultured than Bush, which is not hard to do. 

My 5 year old son is more cultured than Bush.......hell the BUSH in my front yard is more cultured than Mr Bush.

[kickserve]

Do you not have anybody else, is it just Obama and McCain? No independents or other parties? We do have only 2 parties with any chance of winning anything: Labour and Conservative, but lot's of parties for protest votes, the Lib Dems being most prominent, plus a load of one-issue parties such as Green's, UKIP and BNP. Do you have to vote for one or the other?

[The-Raw-Edge]

Do you not have anybody else, is it just Obama and McCain? No independents or other parties? We do have only 2 parties with any chance of winning anything: Labour and Conservative, but lot's of parties for protest votes, the Lib Dems being most prominent, plus a load of one-issue parties such as Green's, UKIP and BNP. Do you have to vote for one or the other?

Ours is the same as yours.  Only one of the main two stand any chance, but there will be others on the ballot.  I think our Democrat party is like your Labour party and your Conservatives are like our MORONS (whoops) Republicans.

[kickserve]

Do you not have anybody else, is it just Obama and McCain? No independents or other parties? We do have only 2 parties with any chance of winning anything: Labour and Conservative, but lot's of parties for protest votes, the Lib Dems being most prominent, plus a load of one-issue parties such as Green's, UKIP and BNP. Do you have to vote for one or the other?

Ours is the same as yours.  Only one of the main two stand any chance, but there will be others on the ballot.  I think our Democrat party is like your Labour party and your Conservatives are like our MORONS (whoops) Republicans.

Although our Conservatives are probably to the left of your Democrats, as are Labour, as you are a more right-wing country. Even the far-right of the Conservative party don't question Nationalized Healthcare and Education.

[The-Raw-Edge]

Do you not have anybody else, is it just Obama and McCain? No independents or other parties? We do have only 2 parties with any chance of winning anything: Labour and Conservative, but lot's of parties for protest votes, the Lib Dems being most prominent, plus a load of one-issue parties such as Green's, UKIP and BNP. Do you have to vote for one or the other?

Ours is the same as yours.  Only one of the main two stand any chance, but there will be others on the ballot.  I think our Democrat party is like your Labour party and your Conservatives are like our MORONS (whoops) Republicans.

Although our Conservatives are probably to the left of your Democrats, as are Labour, as you are a more right-wing country. Even the far-right of the Conservative party don't question Nationalized Healthcare and Education.

That sounds like even your "far righties" are much more intelligent than our "righties".   

[monstertruck]

As some of you may have guessed already, I strongly disagree with Obama's basic philosophy which will guide his decision making process should he be elected-

Obama-
"That's the promise of America--the idea that we are responsible for ourselves, but that we also rise or fall as one nation; the fundamental belief that I am my brother's keeper; I am my sister's keeper. "


Swish(?)
So we'll be free to run our own lives--except that we are also required to be our brothers' keepers. We will have a free market--except for the vast network of regulations needed to force businesses to live up to a long list of "responsibilities." We will take responsibility for solving our own problems--except those relating to roads, education, health care, water, toys, science, and so on and on.

In essence, Obama is declaring simultaneous loyalty to individualism and to collectivism, to independence and to dependence, to free markets and to state control.


MT
Make no mistake, Obama = Socialism.

[kickserve]

Do you not have anybody else, is it just Obama and McCain? No independents or other parties? We do have only 2 parties with any chance of winning anything: Labour and Conservative, but lot's of parties for protest votes, the Lib Dems being most prominent, plus a load of one-issue parties such as Green's, UKIP and BNP. Do you have to vote for one or the other?

Ours is the same as yours.  Only one of the main two stand any chance, but there will be others on the ballot.  I think our Democrat party is like your Labour party and your Conservatives are like our MORONS (whoops) Republicans.

Although our Conservatives are probably to the left of your Democrats, as are Labour, as you are a more right-wing country. Even the far-right of the Conservative party don't question Nationalized Healthcare and Education.

That sounds like even your "far righties" are much more intelligent than our "righties".   

Sounds like they're more central than your lefties 

[kickserve]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

Found this test to see where people are politically. I'm guessing even the American's who think they're left-wing are more right-wing than most Brits 

I got 5.38 on the Economic, 0.26 on the Social scale. Anybody else going to take it?

[monstertruck]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

Found this test to see where people are politically. I'm guessing even the American's who think they're left-wing are more right-wing than most Brits 

I got 5.38 on the Economic, 0.26 on the Social scale. Anybody else going to take it?

Ayuh.

[kickserve]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

Found this test to see where people are politically. I'm guessing even the American's who think they're left-wing are more right-wing than most Brits 

I got 5.38 on the Economic, 0.26 on the Social scale. Anybody else going to take it?

Ayuh.

I'm guessing you'll score 10 and 10 

[kickserve]

Oh dear. My score puts me closest to being a Liberal Democrat 

[monstertruck]

Economic Left/Right: 3.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.62

I thought many of the questions did not have an answer that accurately reflected my response.

[kickserve]

How am I more rightwing than monster? That baffles me.

[monstertruck]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

Found this test to see where people are politically. I'm guessing even the American's who think they're left-wing are more right-wing than most Brits 

I got 5.38 on the Economic, 0.26 on the Social scale. Anybody else going to take it?

Ayuh.

I'm guessing you'll score 10 and 10 

10/10. Is that the top right corner of the blue?

[kickserve]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

Found this test to see where people are politically. I'm guessing even the American's who think they're left-wing are more right-wing than most Brits 

I got 5.38 on the Economic, 0.26 on the Social scale. Anybody else going to take it?

Ayuh.

I'm guessing you'll score 10 and 10 

10/10. Is that the top right corner of the blue?

Yeah. As it is, economically you're about the same as Obama

[alchemist]

Here's another political quiz that tries to match up your viewpoints with a candidate.  You indicate your choice and then decide how important that issue is to you. 

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/candidate-match-game.htm

[monstertruck]

How am I more rightwing than monster? That baffles me.

You are in serious trouble dude!!!

[monstertruck]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

Found this test to see where people are politically. I'm guessing even the American's who think they're left-wing are more right-wing than most Brits 

I got 5.38 on the Economic, 0.26 on the Social scale. Anybody else going to take it?

Ayuh.

I'm guessing you'll score 10 and 10 

10/10. Is that the top right corner of the blue?

Yeah. As it is, economically you're about the same as Obama

I hope that's not a bad thing!

[kickserve]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

Found this test to see where people are politically. I'm guessing even the American's who think they're left-wing are more right-wing than most Brits 

I got 5.38 on the Economic, 0.26 on the Social scale. Anybody else going to take it?

Ayuh.

I'm guessing you'll score 10 and 10 

10/10. Is that the top right corner of the blue?

Yeah. As it is, economically you're about the same as Obama

I hope that's not a bad thing!

Well, weren't you slagging him off above?