Topic: How do you feel about corporate socialism?

[Babblelot]

 

The last two investment banks, bastions of capitalism, cry uncle.

WASHINGTON - The Federal Reserve said Sunday it had granted a request by the country's last two major investment banks — Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley — to change their status to bank holding companies.

The change of status means both companies will come under the direct regulation of the Federal Reserve, which regulates the nation's bank holding companies.

BAAAAHHH!!!!

Of course, there is an alterior motive: they need the cash. But the irony of an investment bank seeking greater regulation...you just can't make that sheee-at up!   

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I despise Socialism of any sort.

[jeffrx]

I despise Socialism of any sort.

The irony is that it will take a Socialist type of move to fix the problems that the so-called free market has created. 

[monstertruck]

I despise Socialism of any sort.

The irony is that it will take a Socialist type of move to fix the problems that the so-called free market has created. 

Au contraire mon frere.

I would contend that such policies as social security and welfare  contribute as much to economic woes as do corporate bailouts and the like.  They promote the concept that the individual is incapable of taking care of oneself.

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I despise Socialism of any sort.

The irony is that it will take a Socialist type of move to fix the problems that the so-called free market has created. 

Au contraire mon frere.

I would contend that such policies as social security and welfare  contribute as much to economic woes as do corporate bailouts and the like.  They promote the concept that the individual is incapable of taking care of oneself.

What do you think about this story Monsta?

LaBruzzo: Sterilization plan fights poverty

Tying poor women's tubes could help taxpayers, legislator says Wednesday, September 24, 2008By Mark Waller
Worried that welfare costs are rising as the number of taxpayers declines, state Rep. John LaBruzzo, R-Metairie, said Tuesday he is studying a plan to pay poor women $1,000 to have their Fallopian tubes tied.

"We're on a train headed to the future and there's a bridge out," LaBruzzo said of what he suspects are dangerous demographic trends. "And nobody wants to talk about it."

LaBruzzo said he worries that people receiving government aid such as food stamps and publicly subsidized housing are reproducing at a faster rate than more affluent, better-educated people who presumably pay more tax revenue to the government. He said he is gathering statistics now.

http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/capital/index.ssf?%2Fbase%2F%2Fnews-6%2F122223371288730.xml&coll=1

[monstertruck]

I despise Socialism of any sort.

The irony is that it will take a Socialist type of move to fix the problems that the so-called free market has created. 

Au contraire mon frere.

I would contend that such policies as social security and welfare  contribute as much to economic woes as do corporate bailouts and the like.  They promote the concept that the individual is incapable of taking care of oneself.

What do you think about this story Monsta?

LaBruzzo: Sterilization plan fights poverty

Tying poor women's tubes could help taxpayers, legislator says Wednesday, September 24, 2008By Mark Waller
Worried that welfare costs are rising as the number of taxpayers declines, state Rep. John LaBruzzo, R-Metairie, said Tuesday he is studying a plan to pay poor women $1,000 to have their Fallopian tubes tied.

"We're on a train headed to the future and there's a bridge out," LaBruzzo said of what he suspects are dangerous demographic trends. "And nobody wants to talk about it."

LaBruzzo said he worries that people receiving government aid such as food stamps and publicly subsidized housing are reproducing at a faster rate than more affluent, better-educated people who presumably pay more tax revenue to the government. He said he is gathering statistics now.

http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/capital/index.ssf?%2Fbase%2F%2Fnews-6%2F122223371288730.xml&coll=1

Wrong.  They should pay for their own abortions!  (If the choose to have one)

[jeffrx]

I despise Socialism of any sort.

The irony is that it will take a Socialist type of move to fix the problems that the so-called free market has created. 

Au contraire mon frere.

I would contend that such policies as social security and welfare  contribute as much to economic woes as do corporate bailouts and the like.  They promote the concept that the individual is incapable of taking care of oneself.

Well, so does having health insurance, but I sure do want that....

[monstertruck]

I despise Socialism of any sort.

The irony is that it will take a Socialist type of move to fix the problems that the so-called free market has created. 

Au contraire mon frere.

I would contend that such policies as social security and welfare  contribute as much to economic woes as do corporate bailouts and the like.  They promote the concept that the individual is incapable of taking care of oneself.

Well, so does having health insurance, but I sure do want that....

I pay out of pocket.  No premiums to support the insurance industry.  I see the doc, I pay the doc.  I need a drug, I buy a drug.

Here's a question for you-  why do you think the cost of healthcare is beyond the reach of most folks?

[jeffrx]

I despise Socialism of any sort.

The irony is that it will take a Socialist type of move to fix the problems that the so-called free market has created. 

Au contraire mon frere.

I would contend that such policies as social security and welfare  contribute as much to economic woes as do corporate bailouts and the like.  They promote the concept that the individual is incapable of taking care of oneself.

Well, so does having health insurance, but I sure do want that....

I pay out of pocket.  No premiums to support the insurance industry.  I see the doc, I pay the doc.  I need a drug, I buy a drug.

Here's a question for you-  why do you think the cost of healthcare is beyond the reach of most folks?

Wow, you really do walk your talk! 

I get insurance through my job, so at least the government is not paying for it.  I think people with insurance run to the doctor too quickly these days, which increases costs across the board.  They want to see a doctor for each scrape, sniffle, or sneeze. 

The cost of healthcare is high for many reasons, such as liability, technology, liability, greed, uninsured patients who do not pay their share, liability, over-specialization, liability, pharmaceutical companies, and oh, yea, did I mention liability?     

[monstertruck]

I despise Socialism of any sort.

The irony is that it will take a Socialist type of move to fix the problems that the so-called free market has created. 

Au contraire mon frere.

I would contend that such policies as social security and welfare  contribute as much to economic woes as do corporate bailouts and the like.  They promote the concept that the individual is incapable of taking care of oneself.

Well, so does having health insurance, but I sure do want that....

I pay out of pocket.  No premiums to support the insurance industry.  I see the doc, I pay the doc.  I need a drug, I buy a drug.

Here's a question for you-  why do you think the cost of healthcare is beyond the reach of most folks?

Wow, you really do walk your talk! 

I get insurance through my job, so at least the government is not paying for it.  I think people with insurance run to the doctor too quickly these days, which increases costs across the board.  They want to see a doctor for each scrape, sniffle, or sneeze. 

The cost of healthcare is high for many reasons, such as liability, technology, liability, greed, uninsured patients who do not pay their share, liability, over-specialization, liability, pharmaceutical companies, and oh, yea, did I mention liability?     

Think of the wage increase you might receive if your employer didn't have to pay for your insurance.  Easily 10k+ per year!

I can certainly relate to the current trend of seeing the doctor once a week.  I have an employee who's family of 3 visits the doc at least once a week for something.  His son who is only 3 mos. old has more 'allergies' than I have hairs (no wisecracks please! ).  Top it off his wife is a hypochondriac.  It's amazing to observe.

I agree that today's litigious society is the driving force behind skyrocketing healthcare.  That and the fact that folks think that the system and it's participants are responsible for making sure everyone is cured of every ailment no matter what the cost.

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Somethin tells me that even if the gov't put a cap on liability lawsuits, most people still wouldn't be able to afford health insurance

[retro]

Tying poor women's tubes could help taxpayers, legislator says Wednesday, September 24, 2008By Mark Waller
Worried that welfare costs are rising as the number of taxpayers declines, state Rep. John LaBruzzo, R-Metairie, said Tuesday he is studying a plan to pay poor women $1,000 to have their Fallopian tubes tied.

"We're on a train headed to the future and there's a bridge out," LaBruzzo said of what he suspects are dangerous demographic trends. "And nobody wants to talk about it."

LaBruzzo said he worries that people receiving government aid such as food stamps and publicly subsidized housing are reproducing at a faster rate than more affluent, better-educated people who presumably pay more tax revenue to the government. He said he is gathering statistics now.

http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/capital/index.ssf?%2Fbase%2F%2Fnews-6%2F122223371288730.xml&coll=1

How many times a year do we read in the papers about these wealthy polticians, corporate leaders, and famous people having trouble with the IRS? Sounds like this poltician wanted his name in the paper. Is he up for a position in the gov't?

[jeffrx]

Think of the wage increase you might receive if your employer didn't have to pay for your insurance.  Easily 10k+ per year!

I can certainly relate to the current trend of seeing the doctor once a week.  I have an employee who's family of 3 visits the doc at least once a week for something.  His son who is only 3 mos. old has more 'allergies' than I have hairs (no wisecracks please! ).  Top it off his wife is a hypochondriac.  It's amazing to observe.

I agree that today's litigious society is the driving force behind skyrocketing healthcare.  That and the fact that folks think that the system and it's participants are responsible for making sure everyone is cured of every ailment no matter what the cost.
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We agree on that.  All it takes is a few people who run to the doctor's office every week to clog the system and raise the cost.  I want every person to have quality care, but not unneccesary care.  If you are a healthy person, seeing the doc once or twice a year should be fine. 

[monstertruck]

Think of the wage increase you might receive if your employer didn't have to pay for your insurance.  Easily 10k+ per year!

I can certainly relate to the current trend of seeing the doctor once a week.  I have an employee who's family of 3 visits the doc at least once a week for something.  His son who is only 3 mos. old has more 'allergies' than I have hairs (no wisecracks please! ).  Top it off his wife is a hypochondriac.  It's amazing to observe.

I agree that today's litigious society is the driving force behind skyrocketing healthcare.  That and the fact that folks think that the system and it's participants are responsible for making sure everyone is cured of every ailment no matter what the cost.

We agree on that.  All it takes is a few people who run to the doctor's office every week to clog the system and raise the cost.  I want every person to have quality care, but not unneccesary care.  If you are a healthy person, seeing the doc once or twice a year should be fine. 
[/quote]I guess my philosophy is people should take care of themselves.
Why should I contribute to either insurance companies, or taxes for Medicaid/Medicare for people that choose to pursue an unhealthy lifestyle?  Think of the enormous cost of caring for folks who choose to smoke!!!  And the overall general poor health of smokers as a result of their choice!   Ah pooh, now ya got me tweaked and on a Friday afternoon to boot!

[jeffrx]

Think of the wage increase you might receive if your employer didn't have to pay for your insurance.  Easily 10k+ per year!

I can certainly relate to the current trend of seeing the doctor once a week.  I have an employee who's family of 3 visits the doc at least once a week for something.  His son who is only 3 mos. old has more 'allergies' than I have hairs (no wisecracks please! ).  Top it off his wife is a hypochondriac.  It's amazing to observe.

I agree that today's litigious society is the driving force behind skyrocketing healthcare.  That and the fact that folks think that the system and it's participants are responsible for making sure everyone is cured of every ailment no matter what the cost.

We agree on that.  All it takes is a few people who run to the doctor's office every week to clog the system and raise the cost.  I want every person to have quality care, but not unneccesary care.  If you are a healthy person, seeing the doc once or twice a year should be fine. 

I guess my philosophy is people should take care of themselves.
Why should I contribute to either insurance companies, or taxes for Medicaid/Medicare for people that choose to pursue an unhealthy lifestyle?  Think of the enormous cost of caring for folks who choose to smoke!!!  And the overall general poor health of smokers as a result of their choice!   Ah pooh, now ya got me tweaked and on a Friday afternoon to boot!
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[jeffrx]

Tying poor women's tubes could help taxpayers, legislator says Wednesday, September 24, 2008By Mark Waller
Worried that welfare costs are rising as the number of taxpayers declines, state Rep. John LaBruzzo, R-Metairie, said Tuesday he is studying a plan to pay poor women $1,000 to have their Fallopian tubes tied.

"We're on a train headed to the future and there's a bridge out," LaBruzzo said of what he suspects are dangerous demographic trends. "And nobody wants to talk about it."

LaBruzzo said he worries that people receiving government aid such as food stamps and publicly subsidized housing are reproducing at a faster rate than more affluent, better-educated people who presumably pay more tax revenue to the government. He said he is gathering statistics now.

http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/capital/index.ssf?%2Fbase%2F%2Fnews-6%2F122223371288730.xml&coll=1

How many times a year do we read in the papers about these wealthy polticians, corporate leaders, and famous people having trouble with the IRS? Sounds like this poltician wanted his name in the paper. Is he up for a position in the gov't?

This guy wants to treat people like animals.  He is being ridiculous.  There has to be a better way....

[monstertruck]

Tying poor women's tubes could help taxpayers, legislator says Wednesday, September 24, 2008By Mark Waller
Worried that welfare costs are rising as the number of taxpayers declines, state Rep. John LaBruzzo, R-Metairie, said Tuesday he is studying a plan to pay poor women $1,000 to have their Fallopian tubes tied.

"We're on a train headed to the future and there's a bridge out," LaBruzzo said of what he suspects are dangerous demographic trends. "And nobody wants to talk about it."

LaBruzzo said he worries that people receiving government aid such as food stamps and publicly subsidized housing are reproducing at a faster rate than more affluent, better-educated people who presumably pay more tax revenue to the government. He said he is gathering statistics now.

http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/capital/index.ssf?%2Fbase%2F%2Fnews-6%2F122223371288730.xml&coll=1

How many times a year do we read in the papers about these wealthy polticians, corporate leaders, and famous people having trouble with the IRS? Sounds like this poltician wanted his name in the paper. Is he up for a position in the gov't?

This guy wants to treat people like animals.  He is being ridiculous.  There has to be a better way....

Is it because they don't have enough mooola to entertain themselves in other ways?  Or maybe they're just more attractive!

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Tying poor women's tubes could help taxpayers, legislator says Wednesday, September 24, 2008By Mark Waller
Worried that welfare costs are rising as the number of taxpayers declines, state Rep. John LaBruzzo, R-Metairie, said Tuesday he is studying a plan to pay poor women $1,000 to have their Fallopian tubes tied.

"We're on a train headed to the future and there's a bridge out," LaBruzzo said of what he suspects are dangerous demographic trends. "And nobody wants to talk about it."

LaBruzzo said he worries that people receiving government aid such as food stamps and publicly subsidized housing are reproducing at a faster rate than more affluent, better-educated people who presumably pay more tax revenue to the government. He said he is gathering statistics now.

http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/capital/index.ssf?%2Fbase%2F%2Fnews-6%2F122223371288730.xml&coll=1

How many times a year do we read in the papers about these wealthy polticians, corporate leaders, and famous people having trouble with the IRS? Sounds like this poltician wanted his name in the paper. Is he up for a position in the gov't?

This guy wants to treat people like animals.  He is being ridiculous.  There has to be a better way....

I do agree that welfare is a poverty trap. However, this whole thing just makes me feel icky inside. It's eugenics, there is no other way to say it. He can dress it up all he wants, it's still the same concept. Generational poverty is complex, there are no easy soloutions involved here.  But to conclude that the best decision is to sterilize the poor, is the easy way out. It's not the best soloution, it's just the most convenient.

[pawan89]

It just so happens I was listening to Piano man while I opened this. "... and the waitress is practicing politics, as the businessman slowly gets stoned.. yet they're sharing a drink they call lonliness, but its better than drinking alone.. oh laaa la laaa... "

one of THE best songs EVER!    That 3:00-4:00ish is simply amazing.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCyKcwvV5gE[/youtube]

Just thought I'd share that.. it has something to do with politics and businessmen.. this thread is vaguely in the same field.

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Tying poor women's tubes could help taxpayers, legislator says Wednesday, September 24, 2008By Mark Waller
Worried that welfare costs are rising as the number of taxpayers declines, state Rep. John LaBruzzo, R-Metairie, said Tuesday he is studying a plan to pay poor women $1,000 to have their Fallopian tubes tied.

"We're on a train headed to the future and there's a bridge out," LaBruzzo said of what he suspects are dangerous demographic trends. "And nobody wants to talk about it."

LaBruzzo said he worries that people receiving government aid such as food stamps and publicly subsidized housing are reproducing at a faster rate than more affluent, better-educated people who presumably pay more tax revenue to the government. He said he is gathering statistics now.

http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/capital/index.ssf?%2Fbase%2F%2Fnews-6%2F122223371288730.xml&coll=1

How many times a year do we read in the papers about these wealthy polticians, corporate leaders, and famous people having trouble with the IRS? Sounds like this poltician wanted his name in the paper. Is he up for a position in the gov't?

This guy wants to treat people like animals.  He is being ridiculous.  There has to be a better way....

I do agree that welfare is a poverty trap. However, this whole thing just makes me feel icky inside. It's eugenics, there is no other way to say it. He can dress it up all he wants, it's still the same concept. Generational poverty is complex, there are no easy soloutions involved here.  But to conclude that the best decision is to sterilize the poor, is the easy way out. It's not the best soloution, it's just the most convenient.

Ayuh.
A myriad of factors are involved.
My basic philosophy is teach self-esteem and self-respect through community, schools, and associations.
Once we teach people to care about and for themselves we can teach them to care about others.
The concept of treating the symptoms of poverty by throwing free money, food, and housing only exacerbates the problem by destroying the 'self' of the individual.