Author Topic: ATP - 2009 Australian Open: Jan. 19 - Feb. 1  (Read 278877 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Start da Game

  • Tennis God
  • ******
  • Posts: 6785
  • Gender: Male
Re: ATP - 2009 Australian Open: Jan. 19 - Feb. 1
« Reply #180 on: November 21, 2008, 07:07:10 AM »
let me educate you all...........

i don't quite know about jmac or edberg or anyone but the thing that sampras din't bother about french is quite true to an extent..........i actually feel that he did wonderfully well on clay, given his desire for clay, actually the lack of it...........why don't you all who said he tried everything on clay and failed, just go and check the records on how much clay court tennis he played, firstly? the only masters which he cared to participate regularly before the french open was rome, the then italian open..........he din't give a damn about the rest of the events, most of the times...........if he really wanted a french title that badly, he would have given himself a decent shot by playing a ton of clay court tennis and tuning up his game perfectly for the french.........but he din't and all he did was trying his best on the day itself, the RG..........also, let's not forget that pete is thrice a quarterfinalist and once a semifinalist at RG and taken out at that stage by players who are greats in the history, greats like bruguera, courier.........he was close to the french in 96 by beating both courier and bruguera and had one off day at the wrong time...........not at all bad for a player who din't give his best for the title..........and i don't know how many of you here are aware of this fact that sampras beat all these clay greats muster, bruguera and courier at the french open, which is quite a feat...........i don't understand why people often say sampras couldn't play on clay...........his lack of desire undid him at french open...........why don't you all just go and watch his matches against clay greats like courier, bruguera etc? he could rally with them neck and neck and certainly could play on clay..........

my favorite surfaces have always been the traditional surfaces...........both grass and clay equally...........i liked sampras' invincibility at wimbledon and kuerten's artistry at french...........both the surfaces are totally different to each other and demand totally different skills compared to each other..........but i slightly tend to agree that french is the toughest slam of all..........just for the reason that it needs one to grow up on clay to win it and also have the required strength to win it............wimbledon demands another set of skills to win..........both the slams are equally great, regardless of which is tougher to win............as Emma said, even many clay greats failed to win even a single wimbledon and of course the same with the case of grass greats when it comes to winning french...........primarily wimbledon is meant to be for sort of mixed tennis..........SNV mostly and baseline treat with all those amazing rallies.........we used to get that only at wimbledon, but not anymore though..........

someone was making fun of stitch for having won a wimbledon..........do they know how deceiving stitch's serve was and his ability at the net? look, it is all tastes when talking about which is great, baseline or SNV...........i am someone who likes both the styles and treat them equally..........i enjoy both the styles of game and that is one of the strongest reasons why i feel 90s is the toughest era of all..........for the standard and level of tennis in all styles it had..........

p.s. sampras won two of his slams on the dead slow rebound ace of australia...........and also made a final and two semifinals at australia, twice getting beaten by agassi and once by stefan edberg in the semis...........all this goes without saying that he did not take part in the 91, 92 and 99 editions of the slam...........


Goop post for the most part BUT one thing:

Sampras never beat any claycourt GREAT during their good days....beating Muster in 1991 or 1993? where he lost to my grandma on clay doesn't count or beating burn out Courier when he was losing to players rank out the top 75 on clay. Bruguera? Whe did Sampras beat Bruguera and what Bruguera did that year on clay? Is like Nadal taking credit for beating old Agassi at Wimbledon.

Sampras lost to Kafelnikov at RG.......far for a decent claycourter so please stop the superlatives since I'm smarter than that. What about Sampras losing in the 2RD and 1RD to qualifiers during his prime? To say Sampras was anything but mediocre on clay is to believe Muster was anything but mediocre outside of clay for example.

Sampras posted a miserable 90-64 record on clay....is not he didn't care, he just wasn't good enough with his game to adapt it to clay and that's why I praise Roger even more because it was obvious Roger was mediocre on clay but he worked hard at it and look at him...only second best to the GOAT of clay.


A spade is spade, making excuses for Pete on why he sucked on clay in relative terms to all time greats doesn't hide the facts he KNEW what the FO meant to his career....he tried and he failed!


hunting, i am talking from my experience...........not from any stats...........it's not like pete played clay court tennis like davydenko every event and yet failed to win even 1 event..........he just din't play enough clay tennis to win RG..........i remember a few of pete's clay matches post 95 period, particularly that monte carlo match where he blasted agassi out of the court in straight sets from the baseline..........was it in 99? but just a fews days ago, i downloaded his 96 match against courier and watched it..........let me say that sampras could play on clay and he is a fool who never tried enough to win the french.........courier was as usual getting away from sampras winning the first two sets, pounding sampras' backhand relentlessly...........sampras turned it around and won the last 3 sets..........it wasn't like courier was playing ordinary tennis..........i never ever saw sampras try that hard for french..........some of those endless rallies were amazing..........regardless of what bruguera or courier were at that time, beating both of them that too in one event and that too of the magnitude of frnech open is something special..........as a matter of fact, bruguera was to go on and reach the french final, the very next year..........

now which do you prefer? sampras avenging his clay defeats at the hands of clay legends at roland garros or federer losing time and again to the same player who is destined to be the greatest ever on clay? :rofl_2: :rofl_2: i prefer the former, for the reason that he showed some fight, beat those clay greats and proved a point.........no matter, however great nadal is on clay, how many times has federer even challenged him at the french open? now forget about him beating nadal.........

i don't mean to say that only sampras could play on clay and federer is useless..........but it's wrong to claim that federer is totally better than sampras on clay...........no way..........

p.s. sampras made quarterfinal of french from 92-94 and semifinal in 96...........

Do you refer to what legend?? At RG??  :rofl_2: :rofl_2:

Pete on clay as I said several time was never a real threat for the big bosses on this surface and this during all his career..More specifically it is important to remember these facts ( but it is true you -Sarah- you are "talking from my experience'-..A guy that is following Tennis from less than 20 years is talking by experience..You have 22 years old man..Give us a break..Experience  :whistle:  :rofl_2: :rofl_2:)

* Ferrero: Never played Pete AT ALL (even outside RG)...

* Kuerten: Never played on clay against Pete- This was the main champion on the red stuff during Pete's career a sort of Rafa at his best (even better in the case of his BH BTW..)

* Muster: Played once in RG 1991: Pete victory..But then he lost at the second round against Thierry Champion (straight sets: 6-3 6-1 6-1)

* Corretja: Never played against Pete at RG

* Moya: Never played against Pete at RG

* Berasategui Never played Pete at RG -a part, if I remember well, a famous match and Pete's victory in 5 sets for the Davis Coup

* It remains Bruguera who played twice against Pete at RG 1993 & 1996...

As I said already, this last case is very interesting: Brugera played twice Pete at RG and in '93 was Sergi who was able to win when in '96 was Pete...BTW I have provide you some other examples, i.e.:

Pete '96 best year at RG. We have:

First Round Def. Magnus Gustafsson
Second Round Def. Sergi Bruguera serious opponent no doubt
Third Round Def. Todd Martin
Fourth Round Def. Scott Draper
Quarterfinals Def. Jim Courier serious opponent no doubt
Semi Lost to Yevgeny Kafelnikov

II season Pete'95, i.e the previous one to his best result at RG:

First Round Lost to Gilbert Schaller  :rofl_2:

Schaller is what in your history book an HoF on clay I guess...

III season, 2 seasons ahead the best one: '94 RG:

First Round Def. Albert Costa a serious opponent but his RG title was in 2002 FYI
Second Round Def. Marcelo Rios
Third Round Def. Paul Haarhuis
Fourth Round Def. Mikael Tillstrom
Quarterfinals Lost to Jim Courier serious opponent

Pete '97 RG:

First Round Def. Fabrice Santoro
Second Round Def. Francisco Clavet
Third Round  Lost to Magnus Norman : :whistle:

Pete draw in '98 RG:
First Round Def. Todd Martin
Second Round Lost to Ramon Delgado  :whistle:

Once again, I do not see this incredible amount of Monsters Lions and other beasts that should have prevented your so complete player to do something better on clay..

As a conclusion I definitely prefer the high standard consistency shown by FED during his peak seasons on clay, i.e. between '05-07 and evenm '08 ( a RG semi plus three RG finals) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than Pete RG results..Which shows clearly that FED>>>>>>>>Pete on clay.. :)>>>>


my posts are just beyond your mental reach.........
Marian Vajda to Novak Djokovic, "I saw you beat that man like I never saw no man get beat before, and the man KEPT COMING AFTER YOU! Now we don't need no man like that in our lives."

i demand french open to be renamed RAFAEL GARROS

Offline TennisVeritas

  • Tennis God
  • ******
  • Posts: 818
  • Gender: Male
Re: ATP - 2009 Australian Open: Jan. 19 - Feb. 1
« Reply #181 on: November 21, 2008, 07:12:23 AM »
let me educate you all...........

i don't quite know about jmac or edberg or anyone but the thing that sampras din't bother about french is quite true to an extent..........i actually feel that he did wonderfully well on clay, given his desire for clay, actually the lack of it...........why don't you all who said he tried everything on clay and failed, just go and check the records on how much clay court tennis he played, firstly? the only masters which he cared to participate regularly before the french open was rome, the then italian open..........he din't give a damn about the rest of the events, most of the times...........if he really wanted a french title that badly, he would have given himself a decent shot by playing a ton of clay court tennis and tuning up his game perfectly for the french.........but he din't and all he did was trying his best on the day itself, the RG..........also, let's not forget that pete is thrice a quarterfinalist and once a semifinalist at RG and taken out at that stage by players who are greats in the history, greats like bruguera, courier.........he was close to the french in 96 by beating both courier and bruguera and had one off day at the wrong time...........not at all bad for a player who din't give his best for the title..........and i don't know how many of you here are aware of this fact that sampras beat all these clay greats muster, bruguera and courier at the french open, which is quite a feat...........i don't understand why people often say sampras couldn't play on clay...........his lack of desire undid him at french open...........why don't you all just go and watch his matches against clay greats like courier, bruguera etc? he could rally with them neck and neck and certainly could play on clay..........

my favorite surfaces have always been the traditional surfaces...........both grass and clay equally...........i liked sampras' invincibility at wimbledon and kuerten's artistry at french...........both the surfaces are totally different to each other and demand totally different skills compared to each other..........but i slightly tend to agree that french is the toughest slam of all..........just for the reason that it needs one to grow up on clay to win it and also have the required strength to win it............wimbledon demands another set of skills to win..........both the slams are equally great, regardless of which is tougher to win............as Emma said, even many clay greats failed to win even a single wimbledon and of course the same with the case of grass greats when it comes to winning french...........primarily wimbledon is meant to be for sort of mixed tennis..........SNV mostly and baseline treat with all those amazing rallies.........we used to get that only at wimbledon, but not anymore though..........

someone was making fun of stitch for having won a wimbledon..........do they know how deceiving stitch's serve was and his ability at the net? look, it is all tastes when talking about which is great, baseline or SNV...........i am someone who likes both the styles and treat them equally..........i enjoy both the styles of game and that is one of the strongest reasons why i feel 90s is the toughest era of all..........for the standard and level of tennis in all styles it had..........

p.s. sampras won two of his slams on the dead slow rebound ace of australia...........and also made a final and two semifinals at australia, twice getting beaten by agassi and once by stefan edberg in the semis...........all this goes without saying that he did not take part in the 91, 92 and 99 editions of the slam...........


Goop post for the most part BUT one thing:

Sampras never beat any claycourt GREAT during their good days....beating Muster in 1991 or 1993? where he lost to my grandma on clay doesn't count or beating burn out Courier when he was losing to players rank out the top 75 on clay. Bruguera? Whe did Sampras beat Bruguera and what Bruguera did that year on clay? Is like Nadal taking credit for beating old Agassi at Wimbledon.

Sampras lost to Kafelnikov at RG.......far for a decent claycourter so please stop the superlatives since I'm smarter than that. What about Sampras losing in the 2RD and 1RD to qualifiers during his prime? To say Sampras was anything but mediocre on clay is to believe Muster was anything but mediocre outside of clay for example.

Sampras posted a miserable 90-64 record on clay....is not he didn't care, he just wasn't good enough with his game to adapt it to clay and that's why I praise Roger even more because it was obvious Roger was mediocre on clay but he worked hard at it and look at him...only second best to the GOAT of clay.


A spade is spade, making excuses for Pete on why he sucked on clay in relative terms to all time greats doesn't hide the facts he KNEW what the FO meant to his career....he tried and he failed!


hunting, i am talking from my experience...........not from any stats...........it's not like pete played clay court tennis like davydenko every event and yet failed to win even 1 event..........he just din't play enough clay tennis to win RG..........i remember a few of pete's clay matches post 95 period, particularly that monte carlo match where he blasted agassi out of the court in straight sets from the baseline..........was it in 99? but just a fews days ago, i downloaded his 96 match against courier and watched it..........let me say that sampras could play on clay and he is a fool who never tried enough to win the french.........courier was as usual getting away from sampras winning the first two sets, pounding sampras' backhand relentlessly...........sampras turned it around and won the last 3 sets..........it wasn't like courier was playing ordinary tennis..........i never ever saw sampras try that hard for french..........some of those endless rallies were amazing..........regardless of what bruguera or courier were at that time, beating both of them that too in one event and that too of the magnitude of frnech open is something special..........as a matter of fact, bruguera was to go on and reach the french final, the very next year..........

now which do you prefer? sampras avenging his clay defeats at the hands of clay legends at roland garros or federer losing time and again to the same player who is destined to be the greatest ever on clay? :rofl_2: :rofl_2: i prefer the former, for the reason that he showed some fight, beat those clay greats and proved a point.........no matter, however great nadal is on clay, how many times has federer even challenged him at the french open? now forget about him beating nadal.........

i don't mean to say that only sampras could play on clay and federer is useless..........but it's wrong to claim that federer is totally better than sampras on clay...........no way..........

p.s. sampras made quarterfinal of french from 92-94 and semifinal in 96...........

Do you refer to what legend?? At RG??  :rofl_2: :rofl_2:

Pete on clay as I said several time was never a real threat for the big bosses on this surface and this during all his career..More specifically it is important to remember these facts ( but it is true you -Sarah- you are "talking from my experience'-..A guy that is following Tennis from less than 20 years is talking by experience..You have 22 years old man..Give us a break..Experience  :whistle:  :rofl_2: :rofl_2:)

* Ferrero: Never played Pete AT ALL (even outside RG)...

* Kuerten: Never played on clay against Pete- This was the main champion on the red stuff during Pete's career a sort of Rafa at his best (even better in the case of his BH BTW..)

* Muster: Played once in RG 1991: Pete victory..But then he lost at the second round against Thierry Champion (straight sets: 6-3 6-1 6-1)

* Corretja: Never played against Pete at RG

* Moya: Never played against Pete at RG

* Berasategui Never played Pete at RG -a part, if I remember well, a famous match and Pete's victory in 5 sets for the Davis Coup

* It remains Bruguera who played twice against Pete at RG 1993 & 1996...

As I said already, this last case is very interesting: Brugera played twice Pete at RG and in '93 was Sergi who was able to win when in '96 was Pete...BTW I have provide you some other examples, i.e.:

Pete '96 best year at RG. We have:

First Round Def. Magnus Gustafsson
Second Round Def. Sergi Bruguera serious opponent no doubt
Third Round Def. Todd Martin
Fourth Round Def. Scott Draper
Quarterfinals Def. Jim Courier serious opponent no doubt
Semi Lost to Yevgeny Kafelnikov

II season Pete'95, i.e the previous one to his best result at RG:

First Round Lost to Gilbert Schaller  :rofl_2:

Schaller is what in your history book an HoF on clay I guess...

III season, 2 seasons ahead the best one: '94 RG:

First Round Def. Albert Costa a serious opponent but his RG title was in 2002 FYI
Second Round Def. Marcelo Rios
Third Round Def. Paul Haarhuis
Fourth Round Def. Mikael Tillstrom
Quarterfinals Lost to Jim Courier serious opponent

Pete '97 RG:

First Round Def. Fabrice Santoro
Second Round Def. Francisco Clavet
Third Round  Lost to Magnus Norman : :whistle:

Pete draw in '98 RG:
First Round Def. Todd Martin
Second Round Lost to Ramon Delgado  :whistle:

Once again, I do not see this incredible amount of Monsters Lions and other beasts that should have prevented your so complete player to do something better on clay..

As a conclusion I definitely prefer the high standard consistency shown by FED during his peak seasons on clay, i.e. between '05-07 and evenm '08 ( a RG semi plus three RG finals) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than Pete RG results..Which shows clearly that FED>>>>>>>>Pete on clay.. :)>>>>


my posts are just beyond your mental reach.........

 :rofl_2: :rofl_2: :rofl_2: And you here writing in a daily basis that FED is arrogant  :rofl_2: :rofl_2:  :hysterical: :not worthy: Only one comment from my side:  :har-har: :har-har: :head-smack: :head-smack:
"The more you lose, the more they believe they can beat me. But believing is not enough, you still have to beat me" Roger Federer.

We can be knowledgeable with other men's knowledge, we can only be wise with our own wisdom

Offline Start da Game

  • Tennis God
  • ******
  • Posts: 6785
  • Gender: Male
Re: ATP - 2009 Australian Open: Jan. 19 - Feb. 1
« Reply #182 on: November 21, 2008, 07:24:51 AM »
@all 

is there any chance that australia might just consider changing the surfaces back to rebound ace? possibly after hewitt's retirement? i just love that surface............
Marian Vajda to Novak Djokovic, "I saw you beat that man like I never saw no man get beat before, and the man KEPT COMING AFTER YOU! Now we don't need no man like that in our lives."

i demand french open to be renamed RAFAEL GARROS

Offline mav140

  • Tennis God
  • ******
  • Posts: 1196
  • Gender: Male
Re: ATP - 2009 Australian Open: Jan. 19 - Feb. 1
« Reply #183 on: November 21, 2008, 07:26:18 AM »

is there any chance that australia might just consider changing the surfaces back to rebound ace? possibly after hewitt's retirement? i just love that surface............

I don't think so, but yeah, I liked rebound ace.. although I would have to wait and see the new plexi-carpet and see how it works... I know we have been studying it, but I actually want to see a GS on that surface and see how it develops.. We might have a surprise?? Anyway, after this AO, I will definitely come up with an answer as to whether I like the AO to go back to rebound ace...

Offline Start da Game

  • Tennis God
  • ******
  • Posts: 6785
  • Gender: Male
Re: ATP - 2009 Australian Open: Jan. 19 - Feb. 1
« Reply #184 on: November 21, 2008, 07:35:39 AM »

is there any chance that australia might just consider changing the surfaces back to rebound ace? possibly after hewitt's retirement? i just love that surface............

I don't think so, but yeah, I liked rebound ace.. although I would have to wait and see the new plexi-carpet and see how it works... I know we have been studying it, but I actually want to see a GS on that surface and see how it develops.. We might have a surprise?? Anyway, after this AO, I will definitely come up with an answer as to whether I like the AO to go back to rebound ace...

it's only going to play faster than it did this year, according to the sources...........the surface is a us made product and it looks like a duplicate of us open to me...........rebound ace had some uniqueness..........they should have just changed the colour if they wanted to have a different look to the courts, but changing the whole surface wasn't required at all.........i still don't know the exact reasons why they made this change.........
Marian Vajda to Novak Djokovic, "I saw you beat that man like I never saw no man get beat before, and the man KEPT COMING AFTER YOU! Now we don't need no man like that in our lives."

i demand french open to be renamed RAFAEL GARROS

Offline Clay Death

  • Tennis God
  • ******
  • Posts: 16589
  • Gender: Male
  • Camelot Elite Tennis Society
    • Camelot Elite Tennis Society
Re: ATP - 2009 Australian Open: Jan. 19 - Feb. 1
« Reply #185 on: November 21, 2008, 08:22:38 AM »
@all 

is there any chance that australia might just consider changing the surfaces back to rebound ace? possibly after hewitt's retirement? i just love that surface............

no. it was too sticky and it retained too much heat. this caused the players to sustain a lot of injuries.

Offline Start da Game

  • Tennis God
  • ******
  • Posts: 6785
  • Gender: Male
Re: ATP - 2009 Australian Open: Jan. 19 - Feb. 1
« Reply #186 on: November 21, 2008, 08:28:45 AM »
@all 

is there any chance that australia might just consider changing the surfaces back to rebound ace? possibly after hewitt's retirement? i just love that surface............

no. it was too sticky and it retained too much heat. this caused the players to sustain a lot of injuries.
but it was really a lot of fun, the surface..........no one could come and walk away with the trophy just like that.........they had to toil hard, as the surface gave a chance to every one.........
Marian Vajda to Novak Djokovic, "I saw you beat that man like I never saw no man get beat before, and the man KEPT COMING AFTER YOU! Now we don't need no man like that in our lives."

i demand french open to be renamed RAFAEL GARROS

Offline dmastous

  • Tennis God
  • ******
  • Posts: 15255
  • Gender: Male
    • http://www.tips4tennis.com
Re: ATP - 2009 Australian Open: Jan. 19 - Feb. 1
« Reply #187 on: November 21, 2008, 08:30:32 AM »
@all 

is there any chance that australia might just consider changing the surfaces back to rebound ace? possibly after hewitt's retirement? i just love that surface............

no. it was too sticky and it retained too much heat. this caused the players to sustain a lot of injuries.
but it was really a lot of fun, the surface..........no one could come and walk away with the trophy just like that.........they had to toil hard, as the surface gave a chance to every one.........

... to turn ankles, and tear ACLs. The players don't want that suface to come back to Australia.

Is a tree as a rocking horse
An ambition fulfilled
And is the sawdust jealous?
I worry about these things .

Kevin Godley & Lol Crème (I Pity Inanimate Objects)

Offline Start da Game

  • Tennis God
  • ******
  • Posts: 6785
  • Gender: Male
Re: ATP - 2009 Australian Open: Jan. 19 - Feb. 1
« Reply #188 on: November 21, 2008, 08:36:17 AM »
@all 

is there any chance that australia might just consider changing the surfaces back to rebound ace? possibly after hewitt's retirement? i just love that surface............

no. it was too sticky and it retained too much heat. this caused the players to sustain a lot of injuries.
but it was really a lot of fun, the surface..........no one could come and walk away with the trophy just like that.........they had to toil hard, as the surface gave a chance to every one.........

... to turn ankles, and tear ACLs. The players don't want that suface to come back to Australia.

that risk is there everywhere on hardcourts..........for that they din't need to change the trend which they got going for over 20 years..........maybe they should have brought in a few minor changes but changing the entire surface itself was wrong..........now it looks like a duplicate of the us open, which itself is so boring these days.........
Marian Vajda to Novak Djokovic, "I saw you beat that man like I never saw no man get beat before, and the man KEPT COMING AFTER YOU! Now we don't need no man like that in our lives."

i demand french open to be renamed RAFAEL GARROS

Offline Clay Death

  • Tennis God
  • ******
  • Posts: 16589
  • Gender: Male
  • Camelot Elite Tennis Society
    • Camelot Elite Tennis Society
Re: ATP - 2009 Australian Open: Jan. 19 - Feb. 1
« Reply #189 on: November 21, 2008, 08:41:50 AM »
@all 

is there any chance that australia might just consider changing the surfaces back to rebound ace? possibly after hewitt's retirement? i just love that surface............

no. it was too sticky and it retained too much heat. this caused the players to sustain a lot of injuries.
but it was really a lot of fun, the surface..........no one could come and walk away with the trophy just like that.........they had to toil hard, as the surface gave a chance to every one.........

... to turn ankles, and tear ACLs. The players don't want that suface to come back to Australia.

that risk is there everywhere on hardcourts..........for that they din't need to change the trend which they got going for over 20 years..........maybe they should have brought in a few minor changes but changing the entire surface itself was wrong..........now it looks like a duplicate of the us open, which itself is so boring these days.........

what we really need is fast clay like the one we had at forest hills in the late 70`s. it will force american players to get better who really need to but it will force others to develop a more well-rounded game.

so lets get rid of the miserable hard courts at the u.s. open and go back to forest hills type fast clay.

Offline Dallas

  • Global Moderator
  • Tennis God
  • ******
  • Posts: 30549
  • Gender: Female
  • Federer-Wawrinka-Serena-Venus-Victoria
    • http://tennisworld.typepad.com/tennisworld/2007/01/monday_net_post.html#comment-27147061
Re: ATP - 2009 Australian Open: Jan. 19 - Feb. 1
« Reply #190 on: November 21, 2008, 03:10:03 PM »
@all 

is there any chance that australia might just consider changing the surfaces back to rebound ace? possibly after hewitt's retirement? i just love that surface............

no. it was too sticky and it retained too much heat. this caused the players to sustain a lot of injuries.
but it was really a lot of fun, the surface..........no one could come and walk away with the trophy just like that.........they had to toil hard, as the surface gave a chance to every one.........

... to turn ankles, and tear ACLs. The players don't want that suface to come back to Australia.

that risk is there everywhere on hardcourts..........for that they din't need to change the trend which they got going for over 20 years..........maybe they should have brought in a few minor changes but changing the entire surface itself was wrong..........now it looks like a duplicate of the us open, which itself is so boring these days.........

From what I understand, the surface - made of ground-up tires - melted some in the extreme heat in Australia and got really, really sticky so that was a risk that is NOT everywhere on regular hardcourts.  Now I liked that surface too because Roger won his 3 titles on it... but when it came to safety, unless they could play all of the matches at night when it's cooler, then whoever designed the surface didn't take into account the heat and the reaction of the surface with that heat.  So my understanding is that it wasn't changed so much for "Hewitt", but it was changed because so many people were getting hurt.

Offline Clay Death

  • Tennis God
  • ******
  • Posts: 16589
  • Gender: Male
  • Camelot Elite Tennis Society
    • Camelot Elite Tennis Society
Re: ATP - 2009 Australian Open: Jan. 19 - Feb. 1
« Reply #191 on: November 21, 2008, 03:12:22 PM »
@all 

is there any chance that australia might just consider changing the surfaces back to rebound ace? possibly after hewitt's retirement? i just love that surface............

no. it was too sticky and it retained too much heat. this caused the players to sustain a lot of injuries.
but it was really a lot of fun, the surface..........no one could come and walk away with the trophy just like that.........they had to toil hard, as the surface gave a chance to every one.........

... to turn ankles, and tear ACLs. The players don't want that suface to come back to Australia.

that risk is there everywhere on hardcourts..........for that they din't need to change the trend which they got going for over 20 years..........maybe they should have brought in a few minor changes but changing the entire surface itself was wrong..........now it looks like a duplicate of the us open, which itself is so boring these days.........

From what I understand, the surface - made of ground-up tires - melted some in the extreme heat in Australia and got really, really sticky so that was a risk that is NOT everywhere on regular hardcourts.  Now I liked that surface too because Roger won his 3 titles on it... but when it came to safety, unless they could play all of the matches at night when it's cooler, then whoever designed the surface didn't take into account the heat and the reaction of the surface with that heat.  So my understanding is that it wasn't changed so much for "Hewitt", but it was changed because so many people were getting hurt.

affirmative. way too many injuries on the rebound ace. players, on the average, hated it.

Offline falcon

  • Tennis God
  • ******
  • Posts: 4938
  • Gender: Female
  • cooooooooooooooool
Re: ATP - 2009 Australian Open: Jan. 19 - Feb. 1
« Reply #192 on: November 22, 2008, 03:12:32 AM »
@all 

is there any chance that australia might just consider changing the surfaces back to rebound ace? possibly after hewitt's retirement? i just love that surface............

no. it was too sticky and it retained too much heat. this caused the players to sustain a lot of injuries.
but it was really a lot of fun, the surface..........no one could come and walk away with the trophy just like that.........they had to toil hard, as the surface gave a chance to every one.........

... to turn ankles, and tear ACLs. The players don't want that suface to come back to Australia.

that risk is there everywhere on hardcourts..........for that they din't need to change the trend which they got going for over 20 years..........maybe they should have brought in a few minor changes but changing the entire surface itself was wrong..........now it looks like a duplicate of the us open, which itself is so boring these days.........

From what I understand, the surface - made of ground-up tires - melted some in the extreme heat in Australia and got really, really sticky so that was a risk that is NOT everywhere on regular hardcourts.  Now I liked that surface too because Roger won his 3 titles on it... but when it came to safety, unless they could play all of the matches at night when it's cooler, then whoever designed the surface didn't take into account the heat and the reaction of the surface with that heat.  So my understanding is that it wasn't changed so much for "Hewitt", but it was changed because so many people were getting hurt.

affirmative. way too many injuries on the rebound ace. players, on the average, hated it.


Yeah and now that they've changed it they better stick to it for atleast two decades...changing it once more will change its position as a GS...


The drag of destiny destroys the reins of reason

Offline Clay Death

  • Tennis God
  • ******
  • Posts: 16589
  • Gender: Male
  • Camelot Elite Tennis Society
    • Camelot Elite Tennis Society
Re: ATP - 2009 Australian Open: Jan. 19 - Feb. 1
« Reply #193 on: November 22, 2008, 09:07:54 AM »
@all 

is there any chance that australia might just consider changing the surfaces back to rebound ace? possibly after hewitt's retirement? i just love that surface............

no. it was too sticky and it retained too much heat. this caused the players to sustain a lot of injuries.
but it was really a lot of fun, the surface..........no one could come and walk away with the trophy just like that.........they had to toil hard, as the surface gave a chance to every one.........

... to turn ankles, and tear ACLs. The players don't want that suface to come back to Australia.

that risk is there everywhere on hardcourts..........for that they din't need to change the trend which they got going for over 20 years..........maybe they should have brought in a few minor changes but changing the entire surface itself was wrong..........now it looks like a duplicate of the us open, which itself is so boring these days.........

From what I understand, the surface - made of ground-up tires - melted some in the extreme heat in Australia and got really, really sticky so that was a risk that is NOT everywhere on regular hardcourts.  Now I liked that surface too because Roger won his 3 titles on it... but when it came to safety, unless they could play all of the matches at night when it's cooler, then whoever designed the surface didn't take into account the heat and the reaction of the surface with that heat.  So my understanding is that it wasn't changed so much for "Hewitt", but it was changed because so many people were getting hurt.

affirmative. way too many injuries on the rebound ace. players, on the average, hated it.


Yeah and now that they've changed it they better stick to it for atleast two decades...changing it once more will change its position as a GS...

20 years is a long time falcon. newer technologies will make possible or allow for all kinds of great surfaces down the road.

Offline falcon

  • Tennis God
  • ******
  • Posts: 4938
  • Gender: Female
  • cooooooooooooooool
Re: ATP - 2009 Australian Open: Jan. 19 - Feb. 1
« Reply #194 on: November 23, 2008, 06:56:17 AM »
@all 

is there any chance that australia might just consider changing the surfaces back to rebound ace? possibly after hewitt's retirement? i just love that surface............

no. it was too sticky and it retained too much heat. this caused the players to sustain a lot of injuries.
but it was really a lot of fun, the surface..........no one could come and walk away with the trophy just like that.........they had to toil hard, as the surface gave a chance to every one.........

... to turn ankles, and tear ACLs. The players don't want that suface to come back to Australia.

that risk is there everywhere on hardcourts..........for that they din't need to change the trend which they got going for over 20 years..........maybe they should have brought in a few minor changes but changing the entire surface itself was wrong..........now it looks like a duplicate of the us open, which itself is so boring these days.........

From what I understand, the surface - made of ground-up tires - melted some in the extreme heat in Australia and got really, really sticky so that was a risk that is NOT everywhere on regular hardcourts.  Now I liked that surface too because Roger won his 3 titles on it... but when it came to safety, unless they could play all of the matches at night when it's cooler, then whoever designed the surface didn't take into account the heat and the reaction of the surface with that heat.  So my understanding is that it wasn't changed so much for "Hewitt", but it was changed because so many people were getting hurt.

affirmative. way too many injuries on the rebound ace. players, on the average, hated it.


Yeah and now that they've changed it they better stick to it for atleast two decades...changing it once more will change its position as a GS...

20 years is a long time falcon. newer technologies will make possible or allow for all kinds of great surfaces down the road.


I know its wishful thinking...but that's why RG and Wimby are so much more special in people's eyes...for all that we are thinking AO might be changed within a couple of years


The drag of destiny destroys the reins of reason

Offline Clay Death

  • Tennis God
  • ******
  • Posts: 16589
  • Gender: Male
  • Camelot Elite Tennis Society
    • Camelot Elite Tennis Society
Re: ATP - 2009 Australian Open: Jan. 19 - Feb. 1
« Reply #195 on: November 23, 2008, 08:53:45 AM »
@all 

is there any chance that australia might just consider changing the surfaces back to rebound ace? possibly after hewitt's retirement? i just love that surface............

no. it was too sticky and it retained too much heat. this caused the players to sustain a lot of injuries.
but it was really a lot of fun, the surface..........no one could come and walk away with the trophy just like that.........they had to toil hard, as the surface gave a chance to every one.........

... to turn ankles, and tear ACLs. The players don't want that suface to come back to Australia.

that risk is there everywhere on hardcourts..........for that they din't need to change the trend which they got going for over 20 years..........maybe they should have brought in a few minor changes but changing the entire surface itself was wrong..........now it looks like a duplicate of the us open, which itself is so boring these days.........

From what I understand, the surface - made of ground-up tires - melted some in the extreme heat in Australia and got really, really sticky so that was a risk that is NOT everywhere on regular hardcourts.  Now I liked that surface too because Roger won his 3 titles on it... but when it came to safety, unless they could play all of the matches at night when it's cooler, then whoever designed the surface didn't take into account the heat and the reaction of the surface with that heat.  So my understanding is that it wasn't changed so much for "Hewitt", but it was changed because so many people were getting hurt.

affirmative. way too many injuries on the rebound ace. players, on the average, hated it.


Yeah and now that they've changed it they better stick to it for atleast two decades...changing it once more will change its position as a GS...

20 years is a long time falcon. newer technologies will make possible or allow for all kinds of great surfaces down the road.


I know its wishful thinking...but that's why RG and Wimby are so much more special in people's eyes...for all that we are thinking AO might be changed within a couple of years

for instance, in 20 years or less, all slams will be played indoors.

Offline Swish

  • Tennis God
  • ******
  • Posts: 10000
  • Gender: Male
  • How Many Times?
Re: ATP - 2009 Australian Open: Jan. 19 - Feb. 1
« Reply #196 on: November 23, 2008, 08:56:17 AM »
The surface should be quicker this year than last. When the surface was new(last year) it was rough and not worn in hardly at all. With a years play on it the surface should be worn in some and not quite as rough, so faster and less kickup of the ball.
How much remains to be seen.

The surface is cooler also so that should help the players some.
They have the new "heat" rules in affect to protect the players from getting too hot.

Looks like they tried to address the main issues with the rebound ace.

Offline Clay Death

  • Tennis God
  • ******
  • Posts: 16589
  • Gender: Male
  • Camelot Elite Tennis Society
    • Camelot Elite Tennis Society
Re: ATP - 2009 Australian Open: Jan. 19 - Feb. 1
« Reply #197 on: November 23, 2008, 09:00:15 AM »
The surface should be quicker this year than last. When the surface was new(last year) it was rough and not worn in hardly at all. With a years play on it the surface should be worn in some and not quite as rough, so faster and less kickup of the ball.
How much remains to be seen.

The surface is cooler also so that should help the players some.
They have the new "heat" rules in affect to protect the players from getting too hot.

Looks like they tried to address the main issues with the rebound ace.

no doubt about it swish. the surface should play faster this year unless they decide to resurface or paint it again.

one other thing: it was fairly cool here last year. with a more normal hot conditions here, the molecules in the ball expand and cause it to travel through the air faster.

Offline Swish

  • Tennis God
  • ******
  • Posts: 10000
  • Gender: Male
  • How Many Times?
Re: ATP - 2009 Australian Open: Jan. 19 - Feb. 1
« Reply #198 on: November 23, 2008, 09:03:07 AM »
The surface should be quicker this year than last. When the surface was new(last year) it was rough and not worn in hardly at all. With a years play on it the surface should be worn in some and not quite as rough, so faster and less kickup of the ball.
How much remains to be seen.

The surface is cooler also so that should help the players some.
They have the new "heat" rules in affect to protect the players from getting too hot.

Looks like they tried to address the main issues with the rebound ace.

no doubt about it swish. the surface should play faster this year unless they decide to resurface or paint it again.

one other thing: it was fairly cool here last year. with a more normal hot conditions here, the molecules in the ball expand and cause it to travel through the air faster.

Last year didn't have the really hot temps that are usually the main course for the AO, I don't think the "heat rules" were even put into action as far as I can remember.

Offline Emma

  • Tennis God
  • ******
  • Posts: 8094
  • Gender: Female
Re: ATP - 2009 Australian Open: Jan. 19 - Feb. 1
« Reply #199 on: November 23, 2008, 10:02:19 AM »
Speaking of wishful thinking, I would welcome it more than anything if both Nole and Murray win everything next year; that is, Murray to win both Wimbledon and USO, and Nole to AO and RG. Part of me wants to see the demise of Federer and Nadal which is more than likely in the two years or so.

Funny though how, both the 90s and the 00s have produced possibly two greatest players of all time yet neither have won at least one RG. Sampras' chances are gone while Federer's are fading fast. At the same time, with the exception of Nadal this year, none of the clay courters have won anything on hard courts or on grass. It has been this way since 1990. I fail to see how clay is superior to all other surfaces when all these clay couters failed miserably on all other surfaces while busy dominating the clay. Agassi and Nadal even things out but then you have Federer, who made the RG final more than once. Even so, Nadal winning 1 title on hard court will hardly prove anything, as too many things need to take place in that one particular event, which may put a dent on the win itself. But of course, we have to have our biased opinions based on loose facts which prove basically nothing.
You are everything I am not.