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« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2009, 08:52:13 PM »
Nice journal entries.  Did you really hit for 2 hours against a wall?  WOW!   :thumbs-up:

As I just wrote in Jackal's journal, hitting against a wall is a very underrated way of improving your game.  If I hit for 20 minutes I am dripping so I can't imagine 2 hours.  But that has to be helpful to your game.
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« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2009, 10:48:57 PM »
Good stuff STC!   

Don't exactly understand what you mean by tennis 2 handed?  I am guessing you mean 2 handed shots on both backhand shots and forehand shots? 

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« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2009, 03:21:14 AM »
Nice journal entries.  Did you really hit for 2 hours against a wall?  WOW!   :thumbs-up:

As I just wrote in Jackal's journal, hitting against a wall is a very underrated way of improving your game.  If I hit for 20 minutes I am dripping so I can't imagine 2 hours.  But that has to be helpful to your game.

Yes, normally you would drip as hell, but the weather was very good, not too warm (Spring timeee) so I was less sweaty than the normal summer days. Yes, I love the wall practice, and 2 hours (++) of that will improve your striking. I notice it :D

Good stuff STC!   

Don't exactly understand what you mean by tennis 2 handed?  I am guessing you mean 2 handed shots on both backhand shots and forehand shots? 

Well since I'm right handed, if the ball comes to my right, I use a forehand with my right hand, if the ball comes to my left and there is no time for me to move with my feet to the left, normally I would try to hit a backend with my right hand.

Now, I'm training to use my left hand as a forehand if the ball comes to my left side and if the ball is too close for me to move with my feet when it comes to me on the right side I will try to do backend with my left hand.
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« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2009, 08:51:40 AM »
Very interesting!  Lefty and righty.   That seems it could work............given that you have skillz from both wings? 

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« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2009, 11:50:03 AM »
Very interesting!  Lefty and righty.   That seems it could work............given that you have skillz from both wings? 
What do you mean by "Wings" ? :)

Yes, Lefy and Righty is a really good :)  Its kinda hard in the beginning because the body is not adjusted at all when using the oppesite arm, and also the legs needs to  be in the oppesite direction. But one thing for sure, it can come as a huge supprise to your oppenen once your oppesite arm is well mastered.

I don't know if it is a true fact, but Leftys are considered players with higher success % of points in a game, just being Leftys and the way the cover the court area against Rigthy. Can someone confirm ? (and maybe explain the theory of it much better) ?

Practice Day
Last night I was thinking in my head "No more excuse, you have to work-out, become more healthier and remove some Kg", so I decided that insted of going to the gym, I'll be hitting the court ground insted! And since the Wall let me run alot, it also saves me the boredsom of walking inplace (on a stepper machine).

So I came to the Tennis grounds at 9am, just to find a lot of students practice there with coachers (Having the national country name tag on their back made me think they are national team players that practice.. but who knows..).
I was reliefed when 1 court was empty, and it was the one with the Wall (only 2 of these in the entire Tennis grounds). So I went onto the court, getting my 13 balls out, putting my iPod Shuffle on and started practicing for an entire hour (Which than I had to shower at the gym and drive to work).

I put more efforts on using my Left hand, I want it to become stronger and more accurate, so forehand-backend with the oppesite arm were what I mostly practiced. I also noted that my foot work has become much quicker, with small steps, hopping around to the sides quickly and on to position needed.

Court beside me were the (probably) national team players, practicing with their coach, 2 vs 1, 1 vs 1, and serve rallys - heheh maybe they were watching me training from time to time thinking to them selfs "What the hell does he do trying both hands" hehehe :gleam: . My serve still suck, I still can't hit it correctly and when I do, it's either flying sideways or with no power at all.

Anyway, I hope to continue practicing everyday now until my regular matches (with my friend) fridays.

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« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2009, 12:19:25 PM »
Wings are your arms. Birds have wings, we have arms. We just can't fly with them.
I use my left hand in dire situations. OSU can testify to that on a ping pong table, but I've also used it to return wide serves, or dig volleys out. It's not often though.

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« Reply #26 on: March 23, 2009, 06:29:30 PM »
Wings are your arms. Birds have wings, we have arms. We just can't fly with them.
I use my left hand in dire situations. OSU can testify to that on a ping pong table, but I've also used it to return wide serves, or dig volleys out. It's not often though.

ha ha...I play with a guy who switches hands in desperate situations.  Once he does that, I know I have him!   :)
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« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2009, 03:32:06 AM »
Wings are your arms. Birds have wings, we have arms. We just can't fly with them.
I use my left hand in dire situations. OSU can testify to that on a ping pong table, but I've also used it to return wide serves, or dig volleys out. It's not often though.

ha ha...I play with a guy who switches hands in desperate situations.  Once he does that, I know I have him!   :)

hehe

That's something I hope not to do, I want it to become as a part of my game play ;)
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« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2009, 09:28:12 AM »
Excellent journal posts!!!
Thanks for the pics, always fun to see other courts and situations.

I too am a fan of 'wall ball' for practice.
Some of the best players of all time continued to practice with the wall at the pro level.  Borg and Seles to name a couple.

There are plenty of fitness drills you can do solo on court.
I like to copy many of Pat Etcheberry.  Sample  http://www.tennisone.com/club/lessons/etcheberry/2cone/etcheberry_2cone.php?print=yes
I think there are plenty of others available on youtube.com.

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« Reply #29 on: March 25, 2009, 05:14:38 AM »
Excellent journal posts!!!
Thanks for the pics, always fun to see other courts and situations.

I too am a fan of 'wall ball' for practice.
Some of the best players of all time continued to practice with the wall at the pro level.  Borg and Seles to name a couple.

There are plenty of fitness drills you can do solo on court.
I like to copy many of Pat Etcheberry.  Sample  http://www.tennisone.com/club/lessons/etcheberry/2cone/etcheberry_2cone.php?print=yes
I think there are plenty of others available on youtube.com.

Good luck and have fun!
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« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2009, 05:29:01 AM »
Practice Day

I came to the court today, found it occupied by a trainer and a trainee, but other than that the place was empty, and most important my wall was empty :Play Ball: :)). Pratice was very good today, at the beginning my body was "cold" so I had to warm up by running a lot and hitting balls around, I did that for about 20 mins or so, by the time I finished, the couple on the court beside me finished their session and I changed court (Because when the balls are flying around outside the court / balls stuck on the fance it takes me less time to run and fetch them again).

So I was alone, it was quite and the sun rose up at the sky, I had my iPod shuffle plugged and I started training better and faster. My Left hand strikes were doing way better than I would ever thought, I could feel the strikes hit with higher power at time, and with more precicion at other times. Later on I started practicing my serves, I must wow WOW to my self heheheh, I hit 4 times (almost in a row) inside the a circle that I aimed at on the wall (Note that I was serving from the Net line, not from the entire court). What helped me is to toss the ball not too far, and to add a jump after the knee bending, but not a forward jump, but a verticle jump. After more few tries, I decided to do full serve from the base line -> over the net -> into the correct area, which I did! not the best shots in the world, but I did it  :gleam: :cheer:

Few mins later on, I started to see people coming in to the courts, like there was a new sessions coming on, I kept on practicing, hiting random balls agaist the wall, using my Left hand, Right hand, (Lefty backend and right hand backend).
I was really cool! too bad I had to leave to the shower and straight to work :cursing:  :)

Till the next practice!
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« Reply #31 on: April 26, 2009, 05:14:41 AM »
9th Day:
Can't remember much now though it has been some time that I wrote in the journals (Holydays), but from what I can remember, game play wasn't that good just because I injored my right leg (foot cusion) few days earlier in Aikido, so I was bit struggelin' getting to the balls and hit them correctly. Overall I did fairly well, my left hand hits is becoming really good! Still no good aim, but at least I get the balls inbound (more like a lub type shot).

10th Day
My leg is much better now thanks to some rest and few healing treatments. Me and my friend went on the court pretty late that day (4pm) than the usual (12:30 pm), so I guess I felt the tiredness faster (since I was hanging the entire day shooping for a present to my cusin  :whistle: ).

Even though the gameplay was quick (hour and a half), I was astonished to found that my backend shots were increasing in power and aim, I also twisted my body for better alignment everytime a ball came towards me (forehand) so that the shots went better to the center of my partner. We played a continues for some time which was the result of better technique and speed. whowho I was happy :)

My serves are getting better too, but I notice that I always hit the ball too much to the left! So I have to find the correct leg/body angle and to be accustomed to it (as well as the actual serve it self)

I was wondering what would be the appropriate shot to learn next (i.e: Top Spin..etc) ?
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« Reply #32 on: April 27, 2009, 10:21:14 AM »
Thanks for the update..........keep on playing!   ;-()

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« Reply #33 on: April 27, 2009, 02:46:46 PM »
Thanks for the update..........keep on playing!   ;-()

Thanks for reading ;) I play as much as I can :)
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« Reply #34 on: May 02, 2009, 10:15:27 AM »
11th Day
WoW! What a day!! My game play has increased way better than I've expected!
Me and my partner came today much earlier than last week, giving us more "sun" time to play at.
Just like every practice, We began with a close near-the-net practice, bouncing balls towards each other, in order to be in sync, slowly we stepped back and started the real game [¹].

My Serves were way better and accurate (there were bad ones of course, however, the more I served, the better than came towards my partner during the game)

Since I adjusted my forehand-body position, my shots are way more accurate and are inbound! I can now hit to any area I wish and send the ball there (though of course not perfect, but damn nice!)

My backend shot has increased way better! I can return a clean shots without the ball go far out of bounds, and straight into my partner's area, this makes it so much fun!

My Nitōryū [²] has increased to the point that when I hit the ball, it goes back to the court (IN). I was really surprised to see how my left hand has improved!, Normaly, I still can't play with it all the time (if at all), however, when it comes to shots that I can't hit back with my backend, I switch in a split second and returns it flawlessly. So much fun!

While I need to continue playing and improve my already acquired skills, I still need to learn more tennis shots (i.e Drop-Shot), so that I'll be able to execute different shots at different situations.

[Note]:
During my game play, my grip is dynamically changes according to the position of the ball, i.e: when the ball is close to mid-section and net area, my grip is more to the beginning of the racquet, and when the ball is near base line (Where we serve from), I move my grip to the end of the racquet's handle, giving me more "power" and a less % to hit the net.
Same goes also to when the ball bounce very close to the ground: grip at the end of the handle -> boost the ball up with a less % of hitting the net (note, not a Lob shot).
It seems to be helping me way better than I've expected and my game has become much more controlled.

Do you guys change grip positions (Note, not grip styles! like Wester or eastern) ? What are your thoughts on it? (Or do you use one grip position and style throughout the entire game ?)

[¹]:
We don't play tennis based on points, Since me and my partner are Aikidokas (People who does Aikido), we don't use our ego to determine who is better than who, we play and practice for enhance our abilities through pure fun.

[²]:
Switching hand (Right <-> Left) during the game and become a Lefty (Playing with the left hand).
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« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2009, 12:30:23 AM »
I grip the handle near the bottom always.  I use a continental grip mostly but sometimes I move slightly towards semi-western to get more topspin on some shots.  I am impressed with your attitude about playing for fun free of ego!   :cool:

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« Reply #36 on: June 09, 2009, 06:33:00 AM »
12th Day
This was 2 weeks ago, I can't remember much atm, though What I can remember was that practice was around 2 hours, and it was a very good one, my Serves improved, my left hand improved drastically! Not perfect though, but the switch from the hands and the shots are stronger and better!

13th Day
This was last Friday, when I visited my friend's place. When entered his house, he gave out the Walnuts that I've told him to buy for me last night, and on the same time he suggested me to try out some of nature's own food, which is listed here (Except Walnuts)

- Pine Nuts
- Raisin
- Cranberries

Which he insisted of me eating (a handfull of them). The Pine Nuts (From the Cedar tree) were not half bad! they're kinda small and taste good, but makes your mouth dry so fast you need a drink in no time! When asked I for Water, he declined, telling me that Water will wash it all too fast, So instead, he recommended me to eat together with the Pine Nuts a few Cherry Tomato, which indeed gave me a better flavor. Next, he suggested to eat the Raisin with the Pine Nuts, which I did.. Oh BOY! That tasted so bad! I actually almost had the feeling of gagging (puking) heheh, that flavor was really strong! Seems like I'm not a fan of Raisin than! On my negative effect, he suggested me to eat together an Apple (Green Apple) which balanced the flavor way more than I ever though, and made the whole 'mix' in my mouth balanced. Few more Cherry Tomatoes and Walnuts and off we went to the Tennis court.

Note: My stomach felt really heavy from the mix of nature's food that I ate! I was absolutely sure that my game was going to be slow and heavy.. boy I was wrong!

When we came to court, I noticed (Like every other Friday for the past months) that the group of students (who learn how to be a Tennis coaches) were in the court near the one we were going to. Now, just like every week, among those students, are <few girls>  :))  :)) So my warm up was consisted of 'Serves' and jumping the ball on the side of the racket (not on the strings, but on the plastic part of the racket)  :cool: (What a man will do for girls geesh  :)~ ).

The practice I had with my was my best ever (period). The practice lasted 3 hours, 3 water stops (requested by my partner) and I still had a lot more energy to waste :) (though my feet began to give up, it's not easy playing with this Converse shoes.

My Serves were much better, to the point, I served friend returned a match began (again Ego free - no points) which lasted for long long time!

My backends were superior to the first time I tried a backend shot, they were sharp, accurate and low (bit over the net at times).

Forehand, Since I learned how to adjust my body for a forehand (Right handed: turn 90degrees to the to the right, level left hand with your chest, and swoop with the right hand - sometimes in circular motion, sometimes flat).

My Nuturio (Left hand) increased in speed and power, the shots were no more "ball tossing to air", they were much lower, and in court (though sometimes, they were still high in the air..) but overall, I took them with great ease.

Feet movement, I try to use little energy as possible when adjusting my body and moving towards the ball, as much as 2-3 steps, unless the ball is really deep to the right/left (closer to the inner bound box direction).

Harmony: That may sound weird to some guys here, but this was actually the first time we had a consecutive game play, back and forth for quite some time! (Remember, its my +- 13th time I play Tennis in my life + few more alone practices). This consecutive game play (which is not based on scores) made me feel quite different than the usual, I felt quite, free of stress, as if peaceful like feeling, my mind was clear and sharp, as if I heard nothing but the sound of the ball bounce or hit on the racket. I was fusing my mind and body together, it was amazing! Harmony was created between me and my friend during couple of consecutive game plays.

Power/Energy/Health: I didn't felt any Power loose or Energy drop in the course of 3 hours of game play, storing energy with my limited foot work (Notice ball -> 2-3 foot steps -> rotate body -> adjust hands -> hit ball) when ever I could, gave me much more advance than I have had before, this was thanks to my friend's natural nature's food that I had hard time eating. Since the energy were higher than the usual other times I played.

Hope to learned few stuff from my post,
cya next time on court :gleam:
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« Reply #37 on: June 09, 2009, 06:48:10 AM »
Nice journal entry!
Glad to see you are still hitting the courts!

Pine nuts are also good in salads. :))

You made an interesting comment about Harmony.
Developing the mental accuity to focus solely on the task at head regardless of outside interference (weather, score, blisters, expectations) is crucial.
Sounds like you recognize that fact. :))

Keep having fun.  Take a few lessons early on if possible to learn correct techniques.
Or you could just ask DMastous, T4U, and Buckeye for tips! ;-()
Don't forget there are other parts of this site with good info available.
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« Reply #38 on: June 09, 2009, 07:27:38 AM »
Nice journal entry!
Glad to see you are still hitting the courts!

Pine nuts are also good in salads. :))

You made an interesting comment about Harmony.
Developing the mental accuity to focus solely on the task at head regardless of outside interference (weather, score, blisters, expectations) is crucial.
Sounds like you recognize that fact. :))

Keep having fun.  Take a few lessons early on if possible to learn correct techniques.
Or you could just ask DMastous, T4U, and Buckeye for tips! ;-()
Don't forget there are other parts of this site with good info available.

Thanks man!
Yeah, I ate today Pine Nuts in my salad, it was refreshing and different than the other times I ate salad, new flavor was added ;)

Harmony, is something I practice 2 times a week in my Aikido studies for the past 3 years, and it is something that was naturally (or at least through practice) had to come to my Tennis game (with my partner), it would be too hard to play stressfull/unpeaceful game play all the time, the desire to win simply consume it.
Harmony is also one of the hardest things to achieve and maintain - a lot of energy is needed at first to obtain it, and through practice alone you can achieve it better/faster.

I will learn more techniques, first let me have a strong basis that I could use anytime I wish without any major faults :)

As for asking the guys, I will, and I'm sure than when they read my journal, they have so much information that they can add to me without me asking, just because they have way more experience than me :)

and yes, this site rox! heheh
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« Reply #39 on: July 01, 2009, 06:13:14 PM »
13th Day
Me and my friend gathered once more last Friday as usual, it was hot beyond belief! Just standing there, where the sun is sending their long reaching un-filtered rays (thanks to the lack of ozon layer) on your face was like feeling being melted on a hot frying pan (Where you're the egg).
It was a less energetic practice day, there was nothing out of the usual, and it was hard to reach anything. The practice session ended in an hour or more thanks to the sun.

14th Day
This later evening, after a day of work, I decided to go and practice (8:40pm), thankfully the lights were on today (not always on during the week's evening). I can to the courts area, and saw that only 2 courts were lit, and one was already occupied, but not the second. I hopped on the court, unpacked my 'Penn' ball bottles and started hitting the wall (there is a pic in this thread of mine of how the wall looks like). Mainly hitting the round circles on the wall. I did (once again!) tossed the balls to high when I was practicing power shots off the courts area. Once I accumulated 6 out of bounds, I ran all around the area and looked for the in the dark and in the buses  :)~

Once I got back, I decided it's time to do some Serve practices, I took 2 Penn empty bottles, put them direct of each other (each on different court size) - check my photoshoped image (i forgot to snapshot the court when I was there):



So I started serving, I got a bucket filled with 12 Penn balls (not new any more, so not that high bounce), my idea is to correct my body and posture and as well as the strength of hit and angle to make sure I'd hit those Penn bottles!

Round one: first serve, whaa! so close to the bottle! the rest were tossed all the way, not so good! Serving ain't easy!
Round two: still bad, not only I didn't hit, I also missed it by miles! hah
Round three: still the same..
Round four: yeah yeah.. still no good!
Round five: I hit 11 balls, all were the same, either in bound or way out bound, strong hits, soft hits, bad hits! I picked up the last ball, my mind was empty, tossed it up (not too far), bend the knees, arched the body, moved in for the ball, hit it with the racquet... and than.. BANG! the Penn bottle bounced off the ground to the sound of the ball hitting it! I shouted "Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!" with a green face :king: :king: the people playing near my court were like :\  while i was  :gleam: :gleam: haha :)

I glanced at them of course, but only to find my self looking at someone entering the court area, he was quite older than me, I'd say 20 years, (I'm 26), he passed along the guy's court, cutting it through, came to my court and said in low voice "hey, wanna play?" while fixing his stuff on the ground. "Sure!" I said, still. happy from my last Penn-Hit, "Just let me gather around the balls on the court, and we're on" I said while tossing the balls on the ground into my bucket. "You know, I just hit that Penn empty bottle!" adding to him while walking around picking up the balls, "Than I must be aware than!" he said in a smiling but serious kind of face.

Once finished, we both set up, fronting each one at the other side of the court, I hit the ball towards him (not serving.. yet I don't know his level - boy I was wrong!) and we starting a low key game, moving the ball around, with each strike I felt confidence, as to my previous practices with my friend, so I know I had a safe game going on.
"Are we playing for points?" I than cried out to him while we stopped to gather a ball or two, "Cuz' I like to play for none point game" I added. "Sure, no need points" I heard him crying from the far end.
We started playing, I did some bad serves, and some OK ones, each return of mine were filled with power (forehand and backend) because I noticed that his returns were faster than what I'm used to!,

Than came his real serve, he tossed it, bend his knees, and launched the ball at such speed that I'm not accustomed to! My returns were not useful, when I did managed to hit, they were flying outbound, or hit the net. This took place each time he served me, that was quite challenging! There was a return from him, that I was unable to reach with my backend, so I switched to my noturio (Left hand) and returned with a great power and accuracy! "Whaa, so you can play both hands!" he cried! with a nice smile that he added to his face, "Yeah! I can do both!" I replied back.

In the back of my mind I was happy, happy to find someone who can challenge me, polish my teachnique, my speed and eye coordination up! For each power serve he did, I started to move my body just before he'd hit the serve, giving me more 'closer position' to the incoming ball, but avail, my returns we bad! I still have much to learn!!

"You know, I can't serve like you, you're doing such great fast serves!!" I shouted towards him after few games with him "Yeah! but, with a little practice, in 20 years you'll surpase me!" and it was a nice thing to hear indeed! I did noticed that lately, I started to get few back pains aches, I guess its from some muscles and a wrong twist that I've done. But, one that day I forgot my new Asics gel shoes that I bought to help me with my back pains when I do running/tennis, and ho boy I missed them tonight :D because I wore a flat shoe and each impact on the ground does go into your knees and spine. Shoes will not change the way you will play but they will surely help reduce shocks to your body.

We finished the game, after around 30mins or so of playing since he had to do (and so do I), we talked a bit, exchanging names and meeting 'officially' saying that it would be a privilege for me to learn again from him, since his level was way higher than me, and whats better than to push your limits when your match with a more skilled player?! Evolution in my game, speed and eye coordination, that's what I need, and that's what he can teach me now. I hope to see him again  ://

I hope you enjoyed reading.
- Shany
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