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Re: 2009 OFFICIAL FRENCH OPEN THREAD - ATP
« Reply #3441 on: June 07, 2009, 01:20:51 PM »
GOATS do not trail their biggest rival 2-5 in slam finals (2-6 if you add a semifinal).

That is a lop-sided tally though having to play the best clay courter of all time on clay for 3 of those 5.

The best player of all time (whoever that is) on either gender would beat their biggest rival on every surface.   Graf beats Seles and Navratilova on every surface in the slams and elsewhere.   Navratilova destroyed Chris Evert, the greatest female clay courter ever in the 84 French Open final.   Evert has beaten Navratilova at every slam, including her beloved Wimbledon (ok semis not final but still). 

Laver has bested Rosweall and Gonzales on every slam and on every surface, including a straight sets win in the French Open final over Rosewall.  Sampras wasnt owned by any opponent, despite his failure to win the French.   He has even beaten most of his eras greatest clay courters at the French head to head though- Muster, Courier, Bruguera.   Borg beat McEnroe and Connors on every surface, and beat both at the U.S Open, just never got the 7th win to win the title.   Budge beat Perry and Riggs on every surface and won the Calender Slam.   

Federer has never beaten Nadal at the French.  Nadal has beaten Federer everywhere.  In the last year Federer at only 26/27 has lost 3 straight slam finals to his biggest rival on 3 different surfaces, and the one on Nadal's surface was trounced.  Sorry that isnt GOAT material.

In the open era, who would you put ahead of Federer? Federer has been the best on everything but clay -> where he has been second best for 4-5 years, second best only to the arguably best ever clay courter. He's 5-4 against Nadal at non-clay and yes he's something like 2-9 against Nadal on clay and yes the past few slam final losses to Nadal have not been that good, that said, except for clay, he's pretty darn even to Nadal and you can't say Nadal is better than Federer on hards or grass (yet).

Ok and my GOAT is very much limited to the open era only, even more specifically post 70s, this is my personal opinion/ choice because for me that's the only realistic comparison time period. Clearly this is not the case with a lot of people - most people in fact, since many including yourself consistently include guys like Laver, Rosewall, Emerson etc etc. I am not discrediting them by any means but I'm putting pre-70s in a whole different category.

So essentially we are looking at Federer who in the last 40 years is only the second man to win all four majors (Agassi) and one of the few who has won slams on all surfaces (Agassi, Nadal come to mind, anyone else?). 14 majors.. and 5 major finals: 6 at W, 4 at F, 4 at AO, 5 at USO. Add to that he's been arguably the best for 5 years on grass, hards, indoors, you name it and second best on clay. Agreed he might not be your ideal goat but would you put anyone above him? I can't put either Sampras or Borg above that, perhaps Borg comes close if he could have even won USO once... but that's about it.


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Re: 2009 OFFICIAL FRENCH OPEN THREAD - ATP
« Reply #3442 on: June 07, 2009, 01:28:29 PM »


Friends, on a different note, Congratulations to me :) 

I got the first place in the inter board competition   http://www.britishtennis.net/pickem/2009rg.htm?n=1

I don't actually believe this  :rofl_2:





Dude you rock!  Way to go yo!  Did you pick Federer to win it?


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Re: 2009 OFFICIAL FRENCH OPEN THREAD - ATP
« Reply #3443 on: June 07, 2009, 01:29:08 PM »


Friends, on a different note, Congratulations to me :) 

I got the first place in the inter board competition   http://www.britishtennis.net/pickem/2009rg.htm?n=1

I don't actually believe this  :rofl_2:




Congrats, I know this is a special day for you. 


Thanks Swish. Yes, very special day. I know it is for you too :H


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Re: 2009 OFFICIAL FRENCH OPEN THREAD - ATP
« Reply #3444 on: June 07, 2009, 01:30:21 PM »


Friends, on a different note, Congratulations to me :)  

I got the first place in the inter board competition   http://www.britishtennis.net/pickem/2009rg.htm?n=1

I don't actually believe this  :rofl_2:




what did you win? :applause:


Probably a pat on the back.


better than nothing ;-() :rofl_2:


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Re: 2009 OFFICIAL FRENCH OPEN THREAD - ATP
« Reply #3445 on: June 07, 2009, 01:38:07 PM »


Friends, on a different note, Congratulations to me :) 

I got the first place in the inter board competition   http://www.britishtennis.net/pickem/2009rg.htm?n=1

I don't actually believe this  :rofl_2:




Wow, congrats!!! This is a very special day for you

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My favs: Federer, Djokovic, DelPotro, Haas, Ana, Henin:)

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Re: 2009 OFFICIAL FRENCH OPEN THREAD - ATP
« Reply #3446 on: June 07, 2009, 01:46:47 PM »
GOATS do not trail their biggest rival 2-5 in slam finals (2-6 if you add a semifinal).

 :rofl_2: :rofl_2: :rofl_2: So which of the other GOAT candidates would have a hope in hell against Rafa on clay in a GS?

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Re: 2009 OFFICIAL FRENCH OPEN THREAD - ATP
« Reply #3447 on: June 07, 2009, 01:47:52 PM »


Friends, on a different note, Congratulations to me :) 

I got the first place in the inter board competition   http://www.britishtennis.net/pickem/2009rg.htm?n=1

I don't actually believe this  :rofl_2:




Wow, congrats!!! This is a very special day for you


Thanks buddy. Congrats to you too :H


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Re: 2009 OFFICIAL FRENCH OPEN THREAD - ATP
« Reply #3448 on: June 07, 2009, 01:51:04 PM »
GOATS do not trail their biggest rival 2-5 in slam finals (2-6 if you add a semifinal).

 :rofl_2: :rofl_2: :rofl_2: So which of the other GOAT candidates would have a hope in hell against Rafa on clay in a GS?

None.  That automatically makes Nadal the GOAT forever and ever.
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Re: 2009 OFFICIAL FRENCH OPEN THREAD - ATP
« Reply #3449 on: June 07, 2009, 01:52:51 PM »


Friends, on a different note, Congratulations to me :) 

I got the first place in the inter board competition   http://www.britishtennis.net/pickem/2009rg.htm?n=1

I don't actually believe this  :rofl_2:




Wow, congrats!!! This is a very special day for you


Thanks buddy. Congrats to you too :H



Thanks :thank-you:

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My favs: Federer, Djokovic, DelPotro, Haas, Ana, Henin:)

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Re: 2009 OFFICIAL FRENCH OPEN THREAD - ATP
« Reply #3450 on: June 07, 2009, 01:57:27 PM »
Thanks guys!  I'm so happy that I don't know what to do!  I have dreamed about this for years and it hs finally come true!

I just watched my tape of the match and Roger started out fantastically.  Then I almost had a heartattack when that fool came out of the stands!  Monica flashed back in my mind, but thankfully they both got their composure after that.

But whether someone thinks he's the GOAT or no one things he is - he will always be my GOAT!!!!

THANK YOU ROGER!!!!!!!!!

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Re: 2009 OFFICIAL FRENCH OPEN THREAD - ATP
« Reply #3451 on: June 07, 2009, 01:59:02 PM »
Thanks guys!  I'm so happy that I don't know what to do!  I have dreamed about this for years and it hs finally come true!

I just watched my tape of the match and Roger started out fantastically.  Then I almost had a heartattack when that fool came out of the stands!  Monica flashed back in my mind, but thankfully they both got their composure after that.

But whether someone thinks he's the GOAT or no one things he is - he will always be my GOAT!!!!

THANK YOU ROGER!!!!!!!!!
I thought Babble was the man that got your goat??? :confused1:
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Re: 2009 OFFICIAL FRENCH OPEN THREAD - ATP
« Reply #3452 on: June 07, 2009, 02:00:21 PM »
And me

What??? I said "newbie," as in, I was waiting for him to actually top Sampras--winning 14, including RG did it--before annoiting him GOAT. The rest of yous were there after he won his 8th major  ..-)
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Re: 2009 OFFICIAL FRENCH OPEN THREAD - ATP
« Reply #3453 on: June 07, 2009, 02:04:44 PM »
GOATS do not trail their biggest rival 2-5 in slam finals (2-6 if you add a semifinal).

 :rofl_2: :rofl_2: :rofl_2: So which of the other GOAT candidates would have a hope in hell against Rafa on clay in a GS?

Borg obviously.   Laver overall would not rank up with Nadal and Borg on clay of course but if he played Nadal at the French 4 times I think it is still possible he wins 1 or 2.   He is that great a champion.   Champions find a way to beat their biggest rivals everywhere.  I already gave many examples.   Navratilova arguably the female GOAT killing the female clay court GOAT and her biggest rival in a French Open final in 84.   Those are the kind of things GOATs do.   You are forgetting Federer not only cant beat Nadal at the French, atleast not yet, but Nadal has shown he can beat Federer in a slam final on any of the major surfaces.  That is ownership, whether one likes it or not.
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Re: 2009 OFFICIAL FRENCH OPEN THREAD - ATP
« Reply #3454 on: June 07, 2009, 02:05:17 PM »


Friends, on a different note, Congratulations to me :) 

I got the first place in the inter board competition   http://www.britishtennis.net/pickem/2009rg.htm?n=1

I don't actually believe this  :rofl_2:



Abso-Frickin'-Lutely Unbelievable tennisfan!!!!!!! :swoon:

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Re: 2009 OFFICIAL FRENCH OPEN THREAD - ATP
« Reply #3455 on: June 07, 2009, 02:06:04 PM »
Thanks guys!  I'm so happy that I don't know what to do!  I have dreamed about this for years and it hs finally come true!


THANK YOU ROGER!!!!!!!!!

Celebrate and next season don't tell us a trillion times how much you do not like the clay season because the only interest is who is going to lose in the final or perhaps now the same kind of posts involving knees.
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.

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Re: 2009 OFFICIAL FRENCH OPEN THREAD - ATP
« Reply #3456 on: June 07, 2009, 02:15:35 PM »
Thanks guys!  I'm so happy that I don't know what to do!  I have dreamed about this for years and it hs finally come true!


THANK YOU ROGER!!!!!!!!!

Celebrate and next season don't tell us a trillion times how much you do not like the clay season because the only interest is who is going to lose in the final or perhaps now the same kind of posts involving knees.
:rofl_2: :rofl_2: :rofl_2: :rofl_2: :rofl_2:
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Re: 2009 OFFICIAL FRENCH OPEN THREAD - ATP
« Reply #3457 on: June 07, 2009, 02:23:19 PM »
To be fair, pretending lunatics only run on Centre Court at Roland Garros is ludicrous.

Streaking at Wimbledon is practically an annual--and expected--event; it's practically tradition. And Venus and Serena encountered a streaker at AO this year. The only thing that made this instance remarkable is that the lunatic touched Federer.

OK, carry on with your hating on Roland Garros  :rofl_2:
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Re: 2009 OFFICIAL FRENCH OPEN THREAD - ATP
« Reply #3458 on: June 07, 2009, 02:42:22 PM »
To be fair, pretending lunatics only run on Centre Court at Roland Garros is ludicrous.

Streaking at Wimbledon is practically an annual--and expected--event; it's practically tradition. And Venus and Serena encountered a streaker at AO this year. The only thing that made this instance remarkable is that the lunatic touched Federer.

OK, carry on with your hating on Roland Garros  :rofl_2:

This just in...

The good thing is like it happened before, you know, so that's why I guess I didn't panic. It happened in Wimbledon (oh, the horror!!! :-o  before when two guys ran out on the court, and once I think it was in Montreal when I lost to Roddick when I was playing for my No. 1 ranking in the third set.
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Re: 2009 OFFICIAL FRENCH OPEN THREAD - ATP
« Reply #3459 on: June 07, 2009, 02:48:47 PM »
Thanks guys!  I'm so happy that I don't know what to do!  I have dreamed about this for years and it hs finally come true!


THANK YOU ROGER!!!!!!!!!

Celebrate and next season don't tell us a trillion times how much you do not like the clay season because the only interest is who is going to lose in the final or perhaps now the same kind of posts involving knees.

 :rofl_2:  You're right!  The worm has sort of turned on the not liking clay opinion. All of a sudden its WONDERFUL!