Topic: What have we gotten ourselves into?

[Tennis4you]

Our daughter will be 9 years old in 2 months and her hormones are kicking in something fierce.  I didn't think this was gonna happen for a few more years.  She is dropping mad attitude and really starting to hold huge grudges against us.  This is pretty crazy for her.  We just need to remember to respond to her in love and not anger.  Anger seems easier sometimes.

This morning she did not want to go to church.  She stormed up to her room, yelled "I am not going to church and that is final"!  I do not recall, but I am sure there was door slamming.  Wifey promptly followed her up with a paddle.  I stayed home from church as I am sick and have lost my voice.  Wifey took Abby to church but from the text message I just got, apparently there are some frigid breezes coming off of our daughter's shoulder right now...

She is gonna be a challenge. 

[Babblelot]

Starting? Starting?! She was already a little    last summer.

[kickserve]

Have you asked her why she doesn't want to go to church?

[Tennis4you]

Hell no, why would I do a thing like that? 

[kickserve]

Does she definitely believe in God?

[Babblelot]

Does she definitely believe in God?

Dude, she's 9.

[kickserve]

Does she definitely believe in God?

Dude, she's 9.

That's about how old I was when I stopped believing in God.

[Tennis4you]

She does believe in God.

[Babblelot]

Does she definitely believe in God?

Dude, she's 9.

That's about how old I was when I stopped believing in God.

2 y/o's have the ability to reject everything. You never *belived* in God at that age. You say you "believe" because that's what you're taught to say when you're 9. Or you say you don't believe. At that age, it's irrelevant because you're not that cognitively advanced until adolescence.

[Tennis4you]

Faith like a child.

[kickserve]

2 y/o's have the ability to reject everything. You never *belived* in God at that age. You say you "believe" because that's what you're taught to say when you're 9. Or you say you don't believe. At that age, it's irrelevant because you're not that cognitively advanced until adolescence.

So by your definition children never believe in Santa?

[Dallas]

Our daughter will be 9 years old in 2 months and her hormones are kicking in something fierce.  I didn't think this was gonna happen for a few more years.  She is dropping mad attitude and really starting to hold huge grudges against us.  This is pretty crazy for her.  We just need to remember to respond to her in love and not anger.  Anger seems easier sometimes.

This morning she did not want to go to church.  She stormed up to her room, yelled "I am not going to church and that is final"!  I do not recall, but I am sure there was door slamming.  Wifey promptly followed her up with a paddle.  I stayed home from church as I am sick and have lost my voice.  Wifey took Abby to church but from the text message I just got, apparently there are some frigid breezes coming off of our daughter's shoulder right now...

She is gonna be a challenge. 

First - Great job by your wife.  If you let them talk to you that way and get away with it at 9 years old - they will be running the house at 10.  Tell your wife I said "good job".  I know some folks don't believe in spanking, but I'm not one of them.  Tell her to keep up the good work.  (and...by the way...just wait until she gets to be a teenager!)

[Babblelot]

2 y/o's have the ability to reject everything. You never *belived* in God at that age. You say you "believe" because that's what you're taught to say when you're 9. Or you say you don't believe. At that age, it's irrelevant because you're not that cognitively advanced until adolescence.

So by your definition children never believe in Santa?

It's science. I accept the science. You "believe" in your ideas.

[Tennis4you]

Yeah, we believe in spanking although we probably do not go to it enough.  

We asked our pastor about it 3-4 years ago to get a feel for his thoughts on it.  He was a supporter of spanking, but of course in a loving fashion.  Typically we talk to them first, let them know why they are getting spanked and then afterward we hug until they are done crying (usually not very long).  My wife and I hate spanking, it sucks, but feel it is necessary (in this house hold) and it is effective.  

[Babblelot]

Yeah, we believe in spanking although we probably do not go to it enough.  

We asked our pastor about it 3-4 years ago to get a feel for his thoughts on it.  He was a supporter of spanking, but of course in a loving fashion.  Typically we talk to them first, let them know why they are getting spanked and then afterward we hug until they are done crying (usually not very long).  My wife and I hate spanking, it sucks, but feel it is necessary (in this house hold) and it is effective.  

There are two sides to the spanking debate. You should be curious enough to investigate the other side.

[Babblelot]

In the end, I decided to go with ^^^that^^^. Do your own research. 

[Tennis4you]

My wife and I debated in the ins and out of it years ago.  I threw the pastor in there as one path of knowledge we took.  (6-0)

[Babblelot]

My wife and I debated in the ins and out of it years ago.  I threw the pastor in there as one path of knowledge we took.  (6-0)

  

Ever heard of "blind leading the blind?"  ^^^^^   

Come on Scott, make the effort. There's a mountain of easy to find evidence for the curious that old and uninformed people like your pastor and Dallas have never bothered to read.

[Tennis4you]

Wow, quick to tear down people you know nuthin about.  Sad.

[Babblelot]

Wow, quick to tear down people you know nuthin about.  Sad.

   I heard all I need to hear to recognize naivety.