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Re: UK General Election
« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2010, 07:51:29 AM »
Allison - and under Labor the UK is bankrupt.

The UK, and a host of other European countries (Greece, anyone?). I think we can thank our American friends for that.

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You're right.
It had nothing to do with the socialist policies their govs have followed for years. :whistle:
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Re: UK General Election
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2010, 01:12:59 PM »
Allison - and under Labor the UK is bankrupt.

The UK, and a host of other European countries (Greece, anyone?). I think we can thank our American friends for that.

 :thx!)!


Huh how did you arrive at that impeccable logic? As if the UK/Spain weren't engaging in their own housing/credit bubbles? Sheesh, buy a clue!
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Re: UK General Election
« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2010, 01:58:24 PM »
^^ Maybe because she's European and knows more about what's happening in her own continent that you do?



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« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2010, 02:42:51 PM »
^^ Maybe because she's European and knows more about what's happening in her own continent that you do?

I asked for evidence. You can't just claim "winner by proximity".
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« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2010, 03:00:51 PM »
^^ Maybe because she's European and knows more about what's happening in her own continent that you do?
I hope you didn't pay to learn that type of logic! :scared:
Anyone, anywhere can now gather information on an interanational issues.
How they choose to form thar (just for you ;-()) opinions regarding that info is an entirely different matter.
Location is not a prerequisite for having an informed opinion these days.
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Re: UK General Election
« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2010, 03:11:04 PM »
^^ Maybe because she's European and knows more about what's happening in her own continent that you do?
I hope you didn't pay to learn that type of logic! :scared:
Anyone, anywhere can now gather information on an interanational issues.
How they choose to form thar (just for you ;-()) opinions regarding that info is an entirely different matter.
Location is not a prerequisite for having an informed opinion these days.

Just my own formed opinion. I trust Belgian Miss' thoughts over your or F^3 on European topics.



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Re: UK General Election
« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2010, 03:14:49 PM »
^^ Maybe because she's European and knows more about what's happening in her own continent that you do?
I hope you didn't pay to learn that type of logic! :scared:
Anyone, anywhere can now gather information on an interanational issues.
How they choose to form thar (just for you ;-()) opinions regarding that info is an entirely different matter.
Location is not a prerequisite for having an informed opinion these days.

Just my own formed opinion. I trust Belgian Miss' thoughts over your or F^3 on European topics.
I'm not say she's wrong, I was just pointing out your faulty logic.

By your logic, just because I live in the northeast, I must have a better knowledge of the Constitution because many of the authors were from this area.

We both know that's not true.  :))   Or is it?   ;-()
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Re: UK General Election
« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2010, 04:20:29 PM »
I'm not say she's wrong, I was just pointing out your faulty logic.

By your logic, just because I live in the northeast, I must have a better knowledge of the Constitution because many of the authors were from this area.

We both know that's not true.  :))   Or is it?   ;-()

BGT sounds like a typical leftist. Besides Allison is parroting typical anti-American hate drivel that permeates many European circles.
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Re: UK General Election
« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2010, 05:44:15 PM »
Actually, I'm a Statist, smack dab in the middle between the right and the left. :))



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« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2010, 06:58:40 AM »
Actually, I'm a Statist, smack dab in the middle between the right and the left. :))
Is this the type of Statism you mean?


Statism (or etatism) is a term assigned to political movements and trends that are seen as supporting the use of states to achieve goals, both economic and social. Economic statism, for instance, promotes the view that the state has a major and legitimate role in directing the economy, either directly through state-owned enterprises and other types of machinery of government, or indirectly through economic planning.[1][2] It may refer to the ideology of statism that holds that:

Sovereignty is vested not in the people but in the national state, and that all individuals and associations exist only to enhance the power, the prestige, and the well-being of the state. The concept of statism, which as seen as synonymous with the concept of nation, and corporatism repudiates individualism and exalts the nation as an organic body headed by the Supreme Leader and nurtured by unity, force, and discipline.[3]




You must not have liked this movie then. ;-()
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Re: UK General Election
« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2010, 07:00:53 AM »
BGT sounds like a typical leftist. Besides Allison is parroting typical anti-American hate drivel that permeates many European circles.

How would you know?

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« Reply #31 on: May 31, 2010, 07:14:58 AM »
BGT sounds like a typical leftist. Besides Allison is parroting typical anti-American hate drivel that permeates many European circles.

How would you know?

Perhaps he is an expert on drivel? :dunno:
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« Reply #32 on: May 31, 2010, 09:17:47 AM »
Let's just say I support the national government over states' rights. The latter is what helped to start the Civil War, thinking the state was more important than the nation. I've never see that movie.



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« Reply #33 on: May 31, 2010, 02:25:43 PM »
Let's just say I support the national government over states' rights. The latter is what helped to start the Civil War, thinking the state was more important than the nation. I've never see that movie.
Actually, the movie Enemy of The State, though fiction, does raise some interesting questions regarding National > State > Individual rights.

By that logic, would it be correct to assume that you believe an Individual has a greater obligation to the State/Nation than to herself?
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Re: UK General Election
« Reply #34 on: May 31, 2010, 07:37:16 PM »
Let's just say I support the national government over states' rights. The latter is what helped to start the Civil War, thinking the state was more important than the nation. I've never see that movie.
Actually, the movie Enemy of The State, though fiction, does raise some interesting questions regarding National > State > Individual rights.

By that logic, would it be correct to assume that you believe an Individual has a greater obligation to the State/Nation than to herself?

Yes, unless an individual can build dams, roads, electricity generation, hospitals, etc... We are all part of a collective.
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Re: UK General Election
« Reply #35 on: June 01, 2010, 01:25:52 AM »
Enemy of The State

That's so funny! I saw that movie on TV yesterday :)). Kinda spooky.

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Re: UK General Election
« Reply #36 on: June 01, 2010, 03:31:18 AM »
Let's just say I support the national government over states' rights. The latter is what helped to start the Civil War, thinking the state was more important than the nation. I've never see that movie.
Actually, the movie Enemy of The State, though fiction, does raise some interesting questions regarding National > State > Individual rights.

By that logic, would it be correct to assume that you believe an Individual has a greater obligation to the State/Nation than to herself?

Yes, unless an individual can build dams, roads, electricity generation, hospitals, etc... We are all part of a collective.
So the rights of The Collective supercede the rights of the Individual?

That certainly isn't compatible with the U.S. Constituion.
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« Reply #37 on: June 01, 2010, 03:32:25 AM »
Enemy of The State

That's so funny! I saw that movie on TV yesterday :)). Kinda spooky.

Oddly enough, I saw it this past weekend as well.
A little over the top maybe, but entertaining nonetheless. :)
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Re: UK General Election
« Reply #38 on: June 02, 2010, 04:16:52 PM »
Let's just say I support the national government over states' rights. The latter is what helped to start the Civil War, thinking the state was more important than the nation. I've never see that movie.
Actually, the movie Enemy of The State, though fiction, does raise some interesting questions regarding National > State > Individual rights.

By that logic, would it be correct to assume that you believe an Individual has a greater obligation to the State/Nation than to herself?

Yes, unless an individual can build dams, roads, electricity generation, hospitals, etc... We are all part of a collective.
So the rights of The Collective supercede the rights of the Individual?

That certainly isn't compatible with the U.S. Constituion.

WTF does that have to do with whether or not it's morally/socially/economically optimal? Times change, don't base your judgements on right/wrong on a document written over 200 years ago.
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Re: UK General Election
« Reply #39 on: June 02, 2010, 04:29:36 PM »
Allison - and under Labor the UK is bankrupt.

The UK, and a host of other European countries (Greece, anyone?). I think we can thank our American friends for that.

 :thx!)!

You're right.
It had nothing to do with the socialist policies their govs have followed for years. :whistle:

The reason Europe is in debt; years of uncontrolled spending on helping people, or 'socialism' as you like to label it.
The reason the market went spectacularly bust and Europe can't pay those debts: casino capitalism, or bankers being given free reign to do wtf they liked for short-term profit, irrespective of the long-term consequences for the rest of us.

Neither socialism or capitalism are blameless for the crash and the fallout and likewise neither are totally culpable.