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Re: The madness continues....
« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2010, 06:29:47 AM »
So within a certain context, wearing a shirt of your choice (colors symbolic of your country), in a public school, in the U.S.A. is inappropriate?

Yes...  :bored:

As I said before, the fault of these boys wasn't in wearing a shirt, but what they wanted to cause by wearing that shirt: trouble and controversy. They merely wanted to start a fight, and I think you and I can both agree that a school needs to deal with students that are out to cause trouble. Their intentions should be questioned, not their means.
What I agree with is if indeed there is any actual fighting, those involved should be punished.
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« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2010, 03:21:09 PM »
Hooray for liberals, standing up for law-breakers everywhere!
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« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2010, 06:50:46 AM »
Hooray for liberals, standing up for law-breakers everywhere!
Wouldntchathink the libs would be defending the rights of the 5 students to free speech?  Or the ACLU? 

The world has been turned on it's ear.
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« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2010, 08:36:09 AM »
:laugh-bounce:

You're really hung up on this little podunk town.

Hmm... I wonder if Obama was a white president, there'd be wilded eye'd, gun carrying, conservative white people demonstrating outside his townhall meetings or marching along the Patomac. Got to give it to the libs for protecting the rights of these yahoos  ;-()

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« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2010, 01:32:34 PM »
Things are heating up.
Most citizens are supporting Arizona laws.  :cool:


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« Reply #25 on: May 14, 2010, 01:38:21 PM »
Here's more.

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-7715-Portland-Civil-Rights-Examiner~y2010m5d11-Arizona--frontline-in-new-class-war


Much ado is being made over the law passed by Arizona (sb1070) which states Arizona will now be enforcing federal laws within its state borders. Pundants and illegal immigrants are correct in this; it is a deliberate effort to stop illegal immigration, and the "fundamental transformation" that communist, progressive, liberal leftists have been forcing upon America. They need an army of motivated foot soldiers, and illegalís swarming across the borders fit the bill; dedicated and indoctrinated in communist ideals and a hatred of capitalist America. Hope and change you say?

Because of the huge costs illegal immigration creates, Arizona has come up against the wall in terms of being able to pay for it. The services illegals steal, the murders they commit, and the drugs they traffic in have cost the state too much and it must now act in its own defense, and stop illegal immigration by enforcing already existing laws.

Yes, that is what all this upset is about, not a set of new laws, but the expressed intention of enforcing existing laws, protecting legal citizens civil rights.

Our federal government has been giving away our civil rights, and insisting its for the good of humanity. All of humanity but those of us who legally have civil rights in the United States; legal immigrants and citizens. We are here solely to open our bank accounts and watch our hard earned incomes disappear. Apparently we are supposed to do this with a cheery smile and a big hug to those robbing us blind.

The Government class is taking too much from the citizen class, and not keeping up with the responsibilities and duties that it told us our dollars would be paying for. The government class forcing illegal immigration upon us all must be stopped.

What is this new class? The government class is made up of government employees, certain leftist elected officials including politicians from every party, and those dependent on the money government is handing out in it's grand income redistribution schemes. Include every person who supports these policies, and there you have the government class. The Citizen class is made up of the rest of us. Those who sing the National Anthem and the say Pledge of Allegiance with hands over hearts before their protest gatherings. You will recognize them through their blatant patriotism, and willingness to stand up and make it clear they are not racists, are not violent; they are no longer silent.

Arizona is speaking with the Citizen class's voice.

Illegal immigration affects every person in the United States. From the lady selling flowers next to the MAX tracks at the Saturday Market in downtown Portland, to the nurse in a Tucson hospital treating the only American citizen patient she has seen in a 8 hour day. It affects all of us. The federal government is doing less than nothing about it, in fact it is facilitating it by not halting it, it is handing out the treasure of the nation to everyone but the citizens who pay for it.

This is proof, the federal government now represents itself; the citizen class and the states be damned.

The government class now represents the illegal immigrant, and enables and feeds those who have no right to anything inside the borders of the United States other than to get out. They are literally taking from the citizen class and giving it to illegal immigrants in exchange for their votes. This is intolerable.

Below is a letter from Arizona State Senator Sylvia Allen explaining what the new law is, and why she and so many other representatives in Arizona voted for it. Also below are a couple of instructive YouTube videos, which demonstrate the seriousness of Arizona's situation, and indeed the entire nation's. Clearly the reality on the border is not what most Americans and illegal immigrants have been told it is by the media, and other leftist organizations.

It is a National Security issue and those in charge of National Security are responsible for its creation, and for the design of the system which enables it. It didn't happen on accident. It was deliberate, and Arizona has stepped up to the plate out of simple necessity. The Federal government is causing and enabling Illegal Immigration. It is now up the states to stop it.

The States together can propose Constitutional Amendments if 37 of them join together and bring it to congress. Perhaps it is time to make use of that tool once again. We the people do not have to sit on our hands as governmnet betrays us. We have the right to abolish the government, and the class that goes with it. We have the God given right to create a government that we see as best suiting and serving us. Arizona has fired one of the first shots just off the bow of the federal ship.The message: "This gravy train is stopping right here, right now."

-Dianna C. Cotter 5-11-2010

Reply From the Arizona state senator.

I'm Arizona State Senator Sylvia Allen. I want to explain SB 1070 which I voted for and was just signed by Governor Jan Brewer.

Rancher Rob Krantz was murdered by the drug cartel on his ranch a month ago. I participated in a senate hearing two weeks ago on the border violence, here is just some of the highlights from those who testified.

The people who live within 60 to 80 miles of the Arizona/Mexico Border have for years been terrorized and have pleaded for help to stop the daily invasion of humans who cross their property . One Rancher testified that 300 to 1200 people a DAY come across his ranch vandalizing his property, stealing his vehicles and property, cutting down his fences, and leaving trash. In the last two years he has found 17 dead bodies and two Koran bibles.

Another rancher testified that daily drugs are brought across his ranch in a military operation. A point man with a machine gun goes in front, 1/2 mile behind are the guards fully armed, 1/2 mile behind them are the drugs, behind the drugs 1/2 mile are more guards. These people are violent and they will kill anyone who gets in the way. This was not the only rancher we heard that day that talked about the drug trains.

One man told of two illegal's who came upon his property one shot in the back and the other in the arm by the drug runners who had forced them to carry the drugs and then shot them. Daily they listen to gun fire during the night it is not safe to leave his family alone on the ranch and they can't leave the ranch for fear of nothing being left when they come back.

The border patrol is not on the border. They have set up 60 miles away with check points that do nothing to stop the invasion. They are not allowed to use force in stopping anyone who is entering. They run around chasing them, if they get their hands on them then they can take them back across the border.
Federal prisons have over 35% illegal's and 20% of Arizona prisons are filled with illegal's. In the last few years 80% of our law enforcement that have been killed or wounded have been by an illegal.
The majority of people coming now are people we need to be worried about. The ranchers told us that they have seen a change in the people coming they are not just those who are looking for work and a better life.

The Federal Government has refused for years to do anything to help the border states . We have been over run and once they are here we have the burden of funding state services that they use. Education cost have been over a billion dollars. The healthcare cost billions of dollars. Our State is broke, $3.5 billion deficit and we have many serious decisions to make. One is that we do not have the money to care for any who are not here legally. It has to stop.

The border can be secured. We have the technology we have the ability to stop this invasion. We must know who is coming and they must come in an organized manner legally so that we can assimilate them into our population and protect the sovereignty of our country. We are a nation of laws. We have a responsibility to protect our citizens and to protect the integrity of our country and the government which we live under.

I would give amnesty today to many, but here is the problem, we dare not do this until the Border is secure. It will do no good to forgive them because thousands will come behind them and we will be over run to the point that there will no longer be the United States of America but a North American Union of open borders. I ask you what form of government will we live under? How long will it be before we will be just like Mexico , Canada or any of the other Central American or South American countries? We have already lost our language, everything must be printed in Spanish also. We have already lost our history it is no longer taught in our schools. And we have lost our borders.

The leftist media has distorted what SB 1070 will do. It is not going to set up a Nazi Germany . Are you kidding. The ACLU and the leftist courts will do everything to protect those who are here illegally, but it was an effort to try and stop illegal's from setting up businesses, and employment, and receiving state services and give the ability to local law enforcement when there is probable cause like a traffic stop to determine if they are here legally. Federal law is very clear if you are here on a visa you must have your papers on you at all times. That is the law. In Arizona all you need to show you are a legal citizen is a driver license, MVD identification card, Native American Card, or a Military ID. This is what you need to vote, get a hunting license, etc.. So nothing new has been added to this law. No one is going to be stopped walking down the street etc... The Socialist who are in power in DC are angry because we dare try and do something and that something the Socialist wants us to do is just let them come. They want the "Transformation" to continue.

Maybe it is too late to save America. Maybe we are not worthy of freedom anymore. But as an elected official I must try to do what I can to protect our Constitutional Republic. Living in America is not a right just because you can walk across the border. Being an American is a responsibility and it comes by respecting and upholding the Constitution the law of our land which says what you must do to be a citizen of this country. Freedom is not free.




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Re: The madness continues....
« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2010, 01:51:11 PM »
My buddy is in the eye of the hurricane there in Pheonix. He works the Suns and Diamondbacks games. He said the crowd outside US Air Arena on Cinco de Mayo was pretty angry. He said he wants to go on vacation as soon as the law passes.

The law may be popular with Arizonans, but not with commerce. Many conventions have already been cancelled, as well as the GOP 2012 convention--moved to Tampa.
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Re: The madness continues....
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2010, 01:57:05 PM »
Things are heating up.
Most citizens are supporting Arizona laws.  :cool:


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That's so retarded. Some white, high school punks get a video camera and go incite a bunch of Mexican-Americans. I would have kicked their asses, too, swish.
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« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2010, 02:08:32 PM »
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Hmm... I wonder if Obama was a white president

This was was an article for debate before, but WHY is Obama a "black" president?  He's mixed: half white, half black.

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« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2010, 02:12:06 PM »
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Hmm... I wonder if Obama was a white president

This was was an article for debate before, but WHY is Obama a "black" president?  He's mixed: half white, half black.

More like a red herring than a topic for debate. Don't fool yourself or let anyone else try to fool you. This isn't Africa. This is 2010 America. Obama is black. Maybe in 2110 he won't be black, but he'll be black in his lifetime.

Anyway, that's an interesting response to my inquiry. Was expecting more from you, Christina.
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« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2010, 03:03:05 PM »
My buddy is in the eye of the hurricane there in Pheonix. He works the Suns and Diamondbacks games. He said the crowd outside US Air Arena on Cinco de Mayo was pretty angry. He said he wants to go on vacation as soon as the law passes.

The law may be popular with Arizonans, but not with commerce. Many conventions have already been cancelled, as well as the GOP 2012 convention--moved to Tampa.

And LA has some kind of boycott law against Arizona.
If the illegals flee Arizona they have to go somewhere, wherever they go they will have to be taken care of medically among other areas.
Arizona will probably save money

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« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2010, 03:06:22 PM »
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That's so retarded. Some white, high school punks get a video camera and go incite a bunch of Mexican-Americans. I would have kicked their asses, too, swish.

The inciting was done earlier, by people supporting the illegals, including mexicans.
This is just the fall out, more to come I'm sure.


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« Reply #32 on: May 14, 2010, 03:26:23 PM »
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Hmm... I wonder if Obama was a white president

This was was an article for debate before, but WHY is Obama a "black" president?  He's mixed: half white, half black.

It's just to keep people happy, it makes it seem like america is making headway as far as diversity.
Obama did mark black on his census form if that means anything.

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« Reply #33 on: May 14, 2010, 03:43:52 PM »
Things are heating up.
Most citizens are supporting Arizona laws.  :cool:

Of course, because most Americans are law-abiding citizens. Liberals haven't figured it out yet.
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« Reply #34 on: May 14, 2010, 03:45:13 PM »
My buddy is in the eye of the hurricane there in Pheonix. He works the Suns and Diamondbacks games. He said the crowd outside US Air Arena on Cinco de Mayo was pretty angry. He said he wants to go on vacation as soon as the law passes.

The law may be popular with Arizonans, but not with commerce. Many conventions have already been cancelled, as well as the GOP 2012 convention--moved to Tampa.

Of course most corporate types are very PC and will not want to step into controversial waters.
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« Reply #35 on: May 14, 2010, 04:31:30 PM »
My buddy is in the eye of the hurricane there in Pheonix. He works the Suns and Diamondbacks games. He said the crowd outside US Air Arena on Cinco de Mayo was pretty angry. He said he wants to go on vacation as soon as the law passes.

The law may be popular with Arizonans, but not with commerce. Many conventions have already been cancelled, as well as the GOP 2012 convention--moved to Tampa.

And LA has some kind of boycott law against Arizona.
If the illegals flee Arizona they have to go somewhere, wherever they go they will have to be taken care of medically among other areas.
Arizona will probably save money

LOL!

There really aren't that many Mexicans in Arizona! This law is symbolic tomfoolery like most everything conservatives do today, nothing more. So there isn't going to be a big exodus of Mexicans to Cali  :rofl_2: :rofl_2:

The only people leaving Arizona will be white people. Colorado should build a wall to keep the white Arizonans who F'd up their s**t-hole state out of Colorado  :rofl_2: :rofl_2:
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« Reply #36 on: May 14, 2010, 06:41:36 PM »
My buddy is in the eye of the hurricane there in Pheonix. He works the Suns and Diamondbacks games. He said the crowd outside US Air Arena on Cinco de Mayo was pretty angry. He said he wants to go on vacation as soon as the law passes.

The law may be popular with Arizonans, but not with commerce. Many conventions have already been cancelled, as well as the GOP 2012 convention--moved to Tampa.


And LA has some kind of boycott law against Arizona.
If the illegals flee Arizona they have to go somewhere, wherever they go they will have to be taken care of medically among other areas.
Arizona will probably save money


LOL!

There really aren't that many Mexicans in Arizona! This law is symbolic tomfoolery like most everything conservatives do today, nothing more. So there isn't going to be a big exodus of Mexicans to Cali  :rofl_2: :rofl_2:

The only people leaving Arizona will be white people. Colorado should build a wall to keep the white Arizonans who F'd up their s**t-hole state out of Colorado  :rofl_2: :rofl_2:


 :rofl_2:



Mexico's top diplomat in Arizona braces for exodus of Mexican citizens

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/05/mexicos-top-diplomat-in-arizona-braces-for-exodus-of-mexican-citizens-/1


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Re: The madness continues....
« Reply #37 on: May 14, 2010, 06:44:55 PM »
My buddy is in the eye of the hurricane there in Pheonix. He works the Suns and Diamondbacks games. He said the crowd outside US Air Arena on Cinco de Mayo was pretty angry. He said he wants to go on vacation as soon as the law passes.

The law may be popular with Arizonans, but not with commerce. Many conventions have already been cancelled, as well as the GOP 2012 convention--moved to Tampa.


And LA has some kind of boycott law against Arizona.
If the illegals flee Arizona they have to go somewhere, wherever they go they will have to be taken care of medically among other areas.
Arizona will probably save money


LOL!

There really aren't that many Mexicans in Arizona! This law is symbolic tomfoolery like most everything conservatives do today, nothing more. So there isn't going to be a big exodus of Mexicans to Cali  :rofl_2: :rofl_2:

The only people leaving Arizona will be white people. Colorado should build a wall to keep the white Arizonans who F'd up their s**t-hole state out of Colorado  :rofl_2: :rofl_2:


 :rofl_2:



Mexico's top diplomat in Arizona braces for exodus of Mexican citizens

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/05/mexicos-top-diplomat-in-arizona-braces-for-exodus-of-mexican-citizens-/1



Yeah, I suppose a few thousand *might* go back to Mexico. Much to do about nothing. 750,000 is larger than the number I heard, 400,000, which isn't a crapload.
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« Reply #38 on: May 14, 2010, 07:04:13 PM »
Looks like people who have an incentive in participating in the hysteria will make up numbers close to a million illegals live in Arizona.

I had heard 400,000

StateMaster has it far below that.

People Statistics > Estimated number of Illegal Immigrants (most recent) by state
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Rank     States      Amount  
#    1     California:   2,209,000    
#    2     Texas:   1,041,000    
#    3     New York:   489,000    
#    4     Illinois:   432,000    
#    5     Florida:   337,000    
#    6     Arizona:   283,000    
#    7     Georgia:   228,000    
#    8     New Jersey:   221,000    
#    9     North Carolina:   206,000    
#    10     Colorado:   144,000    
http://www.statemaster.com/graph/peo_est_num_of_ill_imm-people-estimated-number-illegal-immigrants

Having said all of that, I hope Arizona burns. That is one assbackward, redneck state!

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« Reply #39 on: May 14, 2010, 07:04:53 PM »
Yeah, I suppose a few thousand *might* go back to Mexico. Much to do about nothing. 750,000 is larger than the number I heard, 400,000, which isn't a crapload.

This was never about prompting a mass exodus, but about turning around the general idea that it's A-Ok to be an illegal in America. Baby steps babble.
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