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Re: Bush vs Obama--- Handling crisis
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2010, 07:13:15 PM »
Now have I pulled babbs chain or what?  :gleam:

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swish, you're the biggest f**king idiot I've conversed with you pathetic sack of crap.

It won't work babbs, but the response just tickles me to no end.  :rofl_2:

One thing I like about Obama, and lets face it no one can be all bad, he doesn't lay down and let the oil companies rule the land.

But Babbs says the oil companies will do whatever they want. I say babbs is wrong.
This oil spill is much too serious, babbs doesn't understand the seriousness of this catastrophe and how what happened before can't be used as a precedent.
It's simple but babbs won't listen.

I think that'll take care of babbs for awhile.  ;-()







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« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2010, 07:16:51 PM »
Because whenever I hear comments about "big oil" it inevitability leads to the same thing - nationalization. Do you deny that?

Here's evidence:

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=65111
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Waters responded, in part, "And guess what this liberal would be all about. This liberal will be about socializing … uh, um. …"

The congresswoman paused to collect her thoughts.

"Would be about, basically, taking over, and the government running all of your companies. …"

The oil executives responded, according to Fox News, by saying they've seen this before, in Hugo Chavez's Venezuela.



So nationalising oil is a bad thing? Putting one of the most precious resources in the world in the hands of the Government, who work for the interests of the people, versus putting it in the hands of big corporations who don't give a f**k about anything but profits? No need to take over all companies, just the ones which it is demonstrably in the public interest to be run by the people, for the people. Don't worry, contrary to what you've heard on FOX news, Democrats don't want to make your town into a commune.

Also, just because something is a policy used by Hugo Chavez doesn't make it bad. Treat a policy on its merits, not on who else agrees with it. Loads of idiots have had some reasonable attributes. Hitler did a decent job with the German economy 1933-39, Karl Marx correctly stated that "religion is the opium of the masses" and George Bush......errrr.......I'm sure he did something useful in his 8 years.......anyone?

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« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2010, 07:22:46 PM »
One thing I like about Obama, and lets face it no one can be all bad, he doesn't lay down and let the oil companies rule the land.

What does that even mean with all the current regulatory apparatus in place? It just means that Obama is a blowhard playing on your lack of intelligence.
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Re: Bush vs Obama--- Handling crisis
« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2010, 07:23:53 PM »
Because whenever I hear comments about "big oil" it inevitability leads to the same thing - nationalization. Do you deny that?

Here's evidence:

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=65111
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Waters responded, in part, "And guess what this liberal would be all about. This liberal will be about socializing … uh, um. …"

The congresswoman paused to collect her thoughts.

"Would be about, basically, taking over, and the government running all of your companies. …"

The oil executives responded, according to Fox News, by saying they've seen this before, in Hugo Chavez's Venezuela.



So nationalising oil is a bad thing? Putting one of the most precious resources in the world in the hands of the Government, who work for the interests of the people, versus putting it in the hands of big corporations who don't give a f**k about anything but profits? No need to take over all companies, just the ones which it is demonstrably in the public interest to be run by the people, for the people. Don't worry, contrary to what you've heard on FOX news, Democrats don't want to make your town into a commune.

Also, just because something is a policy used by Hugo Chavez doesn't make it bad. Treat a policy on its merits, not on who else agrees with it. Loads of idiots have had some reasonable attributes. Hitler did a decent job with the German economy 1933-39, Karl Marx correctly stated that "religion is the opium of the masses" and George Bush......errrr.......I'm sure he did something useful in his 8 years.......anyone?


I never really thought about this much but my quick response would be that it deserves to be looked at. With something like this there is so much wrangling that could go on, politically, trying to use it as leverage etc. Plenty of areas that things could go wrong. Just my .02


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Re: Bush vs Obama--- Handling crisis
« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2010, 07:33:27 PM »
One thing I like about Obama, and lets face it no one can be all bad, he doesn't lay down and let the oil companies rule the land.

What does that even mean with all the current regulatory apparatus in place? It just means that Obama is a blowhard playing on your lack of intelligence.

I don't really know the reasons Obama is going about it this way, it makes him look good and takes some of the pressure off of him comes to me first.
It hasn't went well for Obama so far, he can save some face by being tough or appear to be tough.
Maybe I'm giving him too much credit, as he has to do something because up to this point public opinion isn't on his side.

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« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2010, 07:41:10 PM »
swish! your pathetic ideologues f**ked this country up so much that the United Racist States of America elected a black man!  :lmao:

Think about that with your puny little mind for a minute. You f**king idiots f**ked things up so bad that we elected a black man! :lmao!:   A black Islamic Kenyan at that!!!  :hysterical:


Your dips**ttitude knows no bounds!
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« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2010, 10:26:13 PM »
swish! your pathetic ideologues f**ked this country up so much that the United Racist States of America elected a black man!  :lmao:

Think about that with your puny little mind for a minute. You f**king idiots f**ked things up so bad that we elected a black man! :lmao!:   A black Islamic Kenyan at that!!!  :hysterical:


Your dips**ttitude knows no bounds!

Well you would know all about f*** up things, being from Chicago.
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« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2010, 10:38:16 PM »
swish! your pathetic ideologues f**ked this country up so much that the United Racist States of America elected a black man!  :lmao:

Think about that with your puny little mind for a minute. You f**king idiots f**ked things up so bad that we elected a black man! :lmao!:   A black Islamic Kenyan at that!!!  :hysterical:


Your dips**ttitude knows no bounds!

If you don't like the country move out punk, if you need help check out the boot in your @ss.

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« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2010, 10:23:48 AM »
swish! your pathetic ideologues f**ked this country up so much that the United Racist States of America elected a black man!  :lmao:

Think about that with your puny little mind for a minute. You f**king idiots f**ked things up so bad that we elected a black man! :lmao!:   A black Islamic Kenyan at that!!!  :hysterical:


Your dips**ttitude knows no bounds!

Well you would know all about f*** up things, being from Chicago.

I think we got rid of him, just takes a few buttons and that's all there is to it.
On most respecting boards he would have been banned already but you need someone with backbone running the show, we don't have that here.

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« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2010, 12:15:32 PM »
I think we got rid of him, just takes a few buttons and that's all there is to it.
On most respecting boards he would have been banned already but you need someone with backbone running the show, we don't have that here.


On this we can agree!  ://
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« Reply #30 on: June 18, 2010, 02:07:02 PM »
Lest we forget what the fool said. swish actually said this as if it's something more substantial than utter drivel. I'm not crappin' you!

OMG! What a f**king idiot  :rofl_2: :rofl_2: :hysterical: :lmao!:


Look at the calender, living in the past won't help you and doesn't apply here.
A novice would bring up that example, and you know it, see if something else sticks.

The oil company does not want to play around with the USA, there are many ways we can pressure them and they know it.


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Re: Bush vs Obama--- Handling crisis
« Reply #31 on: June 18, 2010, 02:08:38 PM »
Ooop! Here comes his little butthead FedFanForever...

"heh, heh, heh, yeah Beavis, heh, heh, heh..."


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Re: Bush vs Obama--- Handling crisis
« Reply #32 on: June 18, 2010, 02:12:18 PM »
Idiot boys 1 and 2. Yeah, Beavis and Butthead. Have you schooled up on big oil's M.O.? The oil companies have been playing around with the USA for decades you two bozos. f**kING READ!

And watch this, I'm spoon feeding you chimps, now!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhK9VgnHWqM[/youtube]

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« Reply #33 on: June 18, 2010, 02:24:52 PM »
swish! your pathetic ideologues f**ked this country up so much that the United Racist States of America elected a black man!  :lmao:

Think about that with your puny little mind for a minute. You f**king idiots f**ked things up so bad that we elected a black man! :lmao!:   A black Islamic Kenyan at that!!!  :hysterical:


Your dips**ttitude knows no bounds!

Your trying to say a black man is unable to do the job, I say it doesn't matter.

Lets start here, clear this up. then move to the other areas.
I already know how indirection works babbs, but the direction you took is wrong, like usual.

Tell me how being black is such a joke. I don't care if your racist but I want to hear your explanation.
Don't forget to have your clown suit drycleaned BTW.

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Re: Bush vs Obama--- Handling crisis
« Reply #34 on: June 18, 2010, 03:02:27 PM »
Hey you two dips**ts--swish and FFF--suggested reading. LEARN, don't pride yourselves on ignorance. Be intellectually curious. Discover why the USA has never pushed big oil around. In fact, quite the opposite is true. You idiot, swish.

American Theocracy, Kevin Phillips, will give you historical context for why things are the way they are
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Theocracy

Then there are the idiot oilmen you two idiots voted for twice.

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Former Vice President Dick Cheney’s National Energy Policy Task Force concluded in May 2001 that “advanced, more energy efficient drilling and production methods: reduce emissions; practically eliminate spills from offshore platforms; and enhance worker safety, lower risk of blowouts, and provide better protection of groundwater resources.” At that time, with two oilmen in the White House and two more Texans leading an emboldened Republican majority in the House of Representatives, Big Oil had an unprecedented opportunity to set U.S. energy policy.

Big Oil did not miss the opportunity. A deeper look at the energy legislation based on Cheney’s secret energy task force underscores how the unabashedly pro-oil policies and permissive regulatory environment created during the Bush administration set the stage for Cheney’s Katrina—the BP oil catastrophe.

Big Oil-backed Republicans move quickly
The House Republican leadership had extensive ties to Big Oil. Former Rep. Dick Armey (R-TX), the majority leader from 1995 to 2003, received more money from oil and gas interests than he received from any other industry during his nearly two decades in Congress. The oil industry was also the biggest backer of former Rep. Tom DeLay (R-TX), who represented a Houston-area district and served first as majority whip and then majority leader following Armey’s retirement.

After Cheney’s secret energy task force released its National Energy Policy Report in May 2001, House Republicans almost immediately tried to enact much of it into law. House Energy and Commerce Chairman Bill Tauzin (R-LA), another favorite of Big Oil who received nearly $600,000 in campaign cash from the industry, had a bill on the House floor within two and a half months. The so-called SAFE Act revealed exactly what Cheney and his allies meant by a “decent regard” for the environment.

Among the many egregious provisions in the 2001 bill (H.R. 4) were:

Taxpayer funds to reimburse oil companies for the costs of complying with the National Environmental Policy Act (Sec. 6234)
A suspension of royalties on tens of millions of barrels of oil produced in the Gulf of Mexico—especially from deepwater wells like the one now spewing into the gulf (Sec. 6202)
Opening the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to drilling—with expedited leasing, limited judicial review, and lip service to environmental concerns (Div. F, Title V)

Cheney’s congressional allies find a new low
While disagreements with the Democratically controlled Senate prevented final passage of a bill during the 107th Congress from January 2001 to January 2003, Cheney and his Big Oil-backed allies came back with a vengeance later in 2003 after seizing control of the Senate. The House, with Tom DeLay now serving as majority leader, quickly passed an even more sweeping bill that fulfilled the pro-oil blueprint crafted by Cheney’s secret energy task force. Conference negotiations largely excluded Democrats and added provisions not passed by either chamber. The conference report that emerged “included the worst provisions of both bills,” such as:

An exemption for all oil and gas construction activities, including roads, drill pads, pipeline corridors, refineries, and compressor stations from having to obtain a permit controlling polluted stormwater runoff caused by construction activities, as previously required under the Clean Water Act (Sec. 328).
Applicants for federal drilling permits could take up to two years to comply with application requirements, but would have given the Bureau of Land Management only 10 days to make decisions on drilling permit applications (Sec. 348).
Sweeping new authority for the Department of Interior to permit new energy projects in the Outer Continental Shelf without adequate oversight or standards (Sec. 321).
A $2 billion program to encourage already-profitable oil companies to drill in “ultra deepwater” (Title IX, Subtitle E part II).
The House passed the conference report the same day it was filed. Fortunately, one of “the most anti-environment pieces of legislation in recent memory” fell victim to a bipartisan filibuster in the Senate and was never brought to a final vote.

Cheney finally finds success
Republicans retained the White House (with the help of over $2.5 million from the oil and gas industry) and increased their majorities in both houses of Congress following the 2004 election. Rep. Tauzin retired and was replaced as chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee by another Cheney ally, the equally pro-oil Joe Barton of Texas—the recipient of more than $1.4 million in campaign cash from the oil and gas industry.

Barton shepherded a bill through the House that included tens of billions in subsidies for Big Oil and other forms of dirty energy and dozens of other provisions to reduce or eliminate royalties paid by Big Oil to taxpayers, waive or eliminate environmental and safety reviews, and otherwise enhance Big Oil’s ability to exploit our natural resources with little or no oversight and with maximum profit.

Lobbying records show that Andrew Lundquist, the executive director of Cheney’s energy task force, left government to become a lobbyist (at a firm later joined by since-jailed Deputy Secretary of the Interior Stephen J. Griles) and was actively lobbying on the legislation on behalf of BP and other energy companies.

One of the worst elements of what has come to be known as the “Dick Cheney energy bill” had a direct role in eliminating the kind of regulatory oversight that may have prevented the blowout of BP’s Mississippi Canyon 252 well on April 20 of this year. Section 390 of the legislation dramatically expanded the circumstance under which drilling operations could forego environmental reviews and be approved almost immediately under so-called “categorical exclusions” from the National Environmental Policy Act.

The use of such exclusions went on to widespread abuse under the Bush administration. BP’s blown-out well did not undergo an environmental review thanks to a categorical exclusion. (BP was lobbying as recently as April to expand the use of such exclusions.)

The expansion of categorical exclusions in the bill is far from the only giveaway to Big Oil at the expense of the environment and taxpayers. Other troubling provisions include:

Tens of billions in subsidies for dirty energy, paid for by deficit spending.
Exempted hydraulic fracturing, a process invented by Cheney’s former employer Halliburton, from the Safe Drinking Water Act (Sec. 322).
Relieved oil companies of paying royalties to the taxpayers for millions of barrels of oil produced from deepwater wells (Sec. 345).
Permanently exempted all oil and gas construction activities, including roads, drill pads, pipeline corridors, refineries, and compressor stations from having to obtain a permit controlling polluted stormwater runoff caused by construction activities, as previously required under the Clean Water Act (Sec. 323).
Required a study to “identify and explain how legislative, regulatory, and administrative programs or processes restrict or impede the development of identified resources and the extent that they affect domestic supply, such as moratoria, lease terms and conditions, operational stipulations and requirements, approval delays by the federal government and coastal states, and local zoning restrictions for onshore processing facilities and pipeline landings.” Such “impediments” could typically include policies and regulations designed to protect human health, fish and wildlife, wild lands, and valuable cultural and historic sites on public lands (Sec. 357).
Weakened states’ ability under the Coastal Zone Management Act to have a say in projects and federal activities that affect their coasts including limiting appeals related to pipeline construction or offshore oil development (Sec. 381-82).
Allowed oil companies to have their leases reinstated if they had been terminated because of nonpayment of rental fees during Bush’s first term (Sec. 371).
Created a loophole to allow oil companies to drill under a national seashore by transferring the mineral rights to private ownership or ownership by the state of Texas (Sec. 373).
The Energy Policy Act of 2005, signed by President George W. Bush on August 8, 2005, achieved many of the goals set out by Cheney’s secret task force in 2001 and ushered in a new era of deregulation, self-regulation, and utter disregard for environmental and safety laws. It also coincided with a culture of deep and widespread corruption at the Interior Department, including the Minerals Management Service. This era unquestionably set the stage for the BP oil catastrophe—Cheney’s Katrina.

Joshua Dorner is Communications Director for Progressive Media. To read more about the causes and consequences of the BP oil catastrophe, go the Energy and Environment page of the Center for American Progress web site.

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BP Disaster Is Cheney's Katrina by Rebecca Lefton
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« Reply #35 on: June 18, 2010, 03:45:08 PM »
I never said the USA has pushed big oil around, I said big oil isn't going to push the USA now.

So what you are arguing is something that hasn't even been said.  :rofl_2:

My god babbs, you mamma did a job on you didn't she now.  ..-)

Go back and argue with the cat woman, more your speed boy.  :rofl_2:


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« Reply #36 on: June 18, 2010, 06:17:13 PM »
babble likes to babble. What can I say? More conspiracy b.s. Go back to Hufferington Post.
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« Reply #37 on: June 18, 2010, 06:27:02 PM »
Catch up, swish! Yesterday, Republican Congressman Joe Barton, the top Republican on the House Energy and Commerce Committee, issued an outrageous personal apology to BP and slammed the President for his efforts to hold them accountable.

Let me spoon feed you some more: when the GOP has the House, Barton is the guy who would be in charge of regulating the oil industry. Get it?! God, you really are one ignorant, ill-informed, sack of crap, swish.

I'll shovel it to you now, monkey boy. Put the conservatives in charge and "turn back the calendar," swish, you idiot. But what was the regulatory environment like when the conservatives were in charge, moron? YOU DON'T f**kING KNOW! You're an imbecile.

Joe Barton (R) Texas, the top Republican on the House Energy and Commerce Committee
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« Reply #38 on: June 18, 2010, 08:23:52 PM »
Don't look back, swish! Just put the blinders on and stare straight ahead. Otherwise, you might learn about things like: why was the US government a tool for big oil under the Bush Administration? Can you figured out with that empty organ between your ears just what happens when your cronies got your back, dumbass?

Why Would Joe Barton Defend BP?

Barton is one of Big Oil’s biggest boosters. Before his election to Congress, Barton was an executive with ARCO, which was later acquired by BP. He has taken $1.4 million in campaign contributions from the industry since 1989, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Barton’s backers have been political action committees and employees of Anadarko Petroleum, Exxon Mobil and Valero Energy.
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« Reply #39 on: June 18, 2010, 09:46:05 PM »
I know all of this already, jeez, this is like grade school for me.
I'm not joking babbs, your just too trivial here.
Now your just bringing up yesterdays news like it's some kind of insightful apparition?

Now lets go back to your problem with:
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swish! your pathetic ideologues f**ked this country up so much that the United Racist States of America elected a black man! 

Think about that with your puny little mind for a minute. You f**king idiots f**ked things up so bad that we elected a black man!    A black Islamic Kenyan at that!!! 


This is much more interesting. Don't change the subject, be a man!!!