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Would You Want To Live Forever?
« on: July 08, 2011, 09:01:27 AM »
I don't know about forever but scientists think they're getting close.  :)



The obvious question is, "What would you do?"



Scientist sees aging cured.

LONDON (Reuters) - If Aubrey de Grey's predictions are right, the first person who will live to see their 150th birthday has already been born. And the first person to live for 1,000 years could be less than 20 years younger.

A biomedical gerontologist and chief scientist of a foundation dedicated to longevity research, de Grey reckons that within his own lifetime doctors could have all the tools they need to "cure" aging -- banishing diseases that come with it and extending life indefinitely.

"I'd say we have a 50/50 chance of bringing aging under what I'd call a decisive level of medical control within the next 25 years or so," de Grey said in an interview before delivering a lecture at Britain's Royal Institution academy of science.

"And what I mean by decisive is the same sort of medical control that we have over most infectious diseases today."

De Grey sees a time when people will go to their doctors for regular "maintenance," which by then will include gene therapies, stem cell therapies, immune stimulation and a range of other advanced medical techniques to keep them in good shape.

De Grey lives near Cambridge University where he won his doctorate in 2000 and is chief scientific officer of the non-profit California-based SENS (Strategies for Engineered Negligible Senescence) Foundation, which he co-founded in 2009.

He describes aging as the lifelong accumulation of various types of molecular and cellular damage throughout the body.

"The idea is to engage in what you might call preventative geriatrics, where you go in to periodically repair that molecular and cellular damage before it gets to the level of abundance that is pathogenic," he explained.

CHALLENGE

Exactly how far and how fast life expectancy will increase in the future is a subject of some debate, but the trend is clear. An average of three months is being added to life expectancy every year at the moment and experts estimate there could be a million centenarians across the world by 2030.

To date, the world's longest-living person on record lived to 122 and in Japan alone there were more than 44,000 centenarians in 2010.

Some researchers say, however, that the trend toward longer lifespan may falter due to an epidemic of obesity now spilling over from rich nations into the developing world.

De Grey's ideas may seem far-fetched, but $20,000 offered in 2005 by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) Technology Review journal for any molecular biologist who showed that de Grey's SENS theory was "so wrong that it was unworthy of learned debate" was never won.

The judges on that panel were prompted into action by an angry put-down of de Grey from a group of nine leading scientists who dismissed his work as "pseudo science."

They concluded that this label was not fair, arguing instead that SENS "exists in a middle ground of yet-to-be-tested ideas that some people may find intriguing but which others are free to doubt."

CELL THERAPY

For some, the prospect of living for hundreds of years is not particularly attractive, either, as it conjures up an image of generations of sick, weak old people and societies increasingly less able to cope.

But de Grey says that's not what he's working for. Keeping the killer diseases of old age at bay is the primary focus.

"This is absolutely not a matter of keeping people alive in a bad state of health," he told Reuters. "This is about preventing people from getting sick as a result of old age. The particular therapies that we are working on will only deliver long life as a side effect of delivering better health."

De Grey divides the damage caused by aging into seven main categories for which repair techniques need to be developed if his prediction for continual maintenance is to come true.

He notes that while for some categories, the science is still in its earliest stages, there are others where it's already almost there.

"Stem cell therapy is a big part of this. It's designed to reverse one type of damage, namely the loss of cells when cells die and are not automatically replaced, and it's already in clinical trials (in humans)," he said.

Stem cell therapies are currently being trialed in people with spinal cord injuries, and de Grey and others say they may one day be used to find ways to repair disease-damaged brains and hearts.

NO AGE LIMIT

Cardiovascular diseases are the world's biggest age-related killers and de Grey says there is a long way to go on these though researchers have figured out the path to follow.

Heart diseases that cause heart failure, heart attacks and strokes are brought about by the accumulation of certain types of what de Grey calls "molecular garbage" -- byproducts of the body's metabolic processes -- which our bodies are not able to break down or excrete.

"The garbage accumulates inside the cell, and eventually it gets in the way of the cell's workings," he said.

De Grey is working with colleagues in the United States to identify enzymes in other species that can break down the garbage and clean out the cells -- and the aim then is to devise genetic therapies to give this capability to humans.

"If we could do that in the case of certain modified forms of cholesterol which accumulate in cells of the artery wall, then we simply would not get cardiovascular disease," he said.

De Grey is reluctant to make firm predictions about how long people will be able to live in future, but he does say that with each major advance in longevity, scientists will buy more time to make yet more scientific progress.

In his view, this means that the first person who will live to 1,000 is likely to be born less than 20 years after the first person to reach 150.

"I call it longevity escape velocity -- where we have a sufficiently comprehensive panel of therapies to enable us to push back the ill health of old age faster than time is passing. And that way, we buy ourselves enough time to develop more therapies further as time goes on," he said.

"What we can actually predict in terms of how long people will live is absolutely nothing, because it will be determined by the risk of death from other causes like accidents," he said.

"But there really shouldn't be any limit imposed by how long ago you were born. The whole point of maintenance is that it works indefinitely."

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Re: Would You Want To Live Forever?
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2011, 11:53:50 AM »
In Heaven, yes.  Here, no...
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Re: Would You Want To Live Forever?
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2011, 12:05:15 PM »
Scientist don't  have  the power to extend human life forever. only GOD does. ://

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Re: Would You Want To Live Forever?
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2011, 12:35:26 PM »
Scientist don't  have  the power to extend human life forever. only GOD does. ://
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Re: Would You Want To Live Forever?
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2011, 01:07:32 PM »
I'd like my ticket punched around 65-70.

I don't like old people.
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Re: Would You Want To Live Forever?
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2011, 02:29:09 PM »
I'd like my ticket punched around 65-70.

I don't like old people.

lol, nice.
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Re: Would You Want To Live Forever?
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2011, 02:36:30 PM »
I'd like my ticket punched around 65-70.

I don't like old people.

Say it as it is Bab :rofl_2:

I hope for around 80 I would say for me, but at least 20 years after I've retired I can go, I'm not working all my life and then popping my clogs months later :rofl_2:

I think though I'll be about 50-55 when I go :rofl_2: sometimes watching Maria I think my time is near now :rofl_2:
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Re: Would You Want To Live Forever?
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2011, 05:51:25 PM »
I'd like my ticket punched around 65-70.

I don't like old people.
Door left open. ;-()



I never thought I'd make it to 50.... seriously.
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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2011, 12:10:33 AM »
I'd like my ticket punched around 65-70.

I don't like old people.

When you're almost there you may adjust your numbers upward some.  :spot on:

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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2011, 12:19:42 AM »
When the time comes, no one wants another extension?  :Sad-Bye:


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Re: Would You Want To Live Forever?
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2011, 01:48:15 AM »
I'd like my ticket punched around 65-70.

I don't like old people.

When you're almost there you may adjust your numbers upward some.  :spot on:

I decided a whiles back that I want to have burned through all of my resources by the time I reach that age range. So I have no desire to be old and broke.
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Re: Would You Want To Live Forever?
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2011, 07:24:45 AM »
I'd like my ticket punched around 65-70.

I don't like old people.

When you're almost there you may adjust your numbers upward some.  :spot on:

I decided a whiles back that I want to have burned through all of my resources by the time I reach that age range. So I have no desire to be old and broke.

I already burned out my resources. I'm waiting for the second part.  :)

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Re: Would You Want To Live Forever?
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2011, 10:30:03 AM »
My mom's mom passed away at age 83 and was doing great.  She was walking the dog a good distance twice a day and fairly active.  Her mind was firing at 90-95% capacity too and she lived alone as her two husbands had passed away decades ago.  But at age age she had no serious health problems and just had a severe heart attack out of the blue and was gone.  Doctor said it was so severe the second it hit she was gone.  Shy of dying in you sleep, that's not too shabby.

My Dad's parents however...  Grandma is alive at age 88 and in a nursing home.  Grandpa passed away 3 weeks ago from cancer.  They did good up until 5-6 months ago and then it went down hill for both of them.  But they were not very active and slept a lot during the day.  Grandma's short term memory is 100% fried.  She does not remember Grandpa's funeral, she didn't remember it the day after it happened.  She will ask me how many kids I have 4-5 times in a 10 minute conversation which is sad.  She had back surgery about 4 months ago and when she came out of it her memory problems were like they are now.  Prior she was firing away at about 80% capacity.  Grandpa was 89. 

If my family history is any indication of what is to come for me, very early 80's seems like a good time to check out. 

And MT, if you do not make it to 50 I am kicking your butt!
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Re: Would You Want To Live Forever?
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2011, 10:41:45 AM »
My family history suggests I will be married for +40 years if I decide to marry at 50.

My mom's grandparents
92 and 95 - 72 years married

My mom's parents
99 and 96 - 71 years married and counting

My dad's parents
80 and 93 - 55 years married

My parents
Dad died at 65, mom is turning 70

Married for 70 years?!  :scared:  It just sounds awful. 20 years, tops.
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Re: Would You Want To Live Forever?
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2011, 11:11:59 AM »
LOL, 20 tops eh?  I am a week away from 12.
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Re: Would You Want To Live Forever?
« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2011, 11:24:47 AM »
LOL, 20 tops eh?  I am a week away from 12.


Divorce stats
43% of first marriages end within 15 years.
First marriages that end in divorce last about 8 years, on average.

http://www.divorcereform.org/rates.html


Getting back on topic, it's different for single people who don't have children and grandchildren. I may have a different outlook had I any critters.

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Re: Would You Want To Live Forever?
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2011, 11:38:38 AM »
LOL, 20 tops eh?  I am a week away from 12.


Divorce stats
43% of first marriages end within 15 years.
First marriages that end in divorce last about 8 years, on average.

http://www.divorcereform.org/rates.html


Getting back on topic, it's different for single people who don't have children and grandchildren. I may have a different outlook had I any critters.


Interesting.  As a parent I fear dying early and then the kids not remembering dad, that is kinda scary thought.  Abby would remember me, Zach is only 6 though so who knows what he would remember.  You guys could keep the site up and running though in my honor, or horror.  :)

If I become a grandparent I will of course want to see great grand children, I am sure that is special, and scary.  My sister is pregnant with her first and she was hoping to have the baby before we lost any more grandparents and of course that did not happen. 

As for the divorce thing, wifey and I have this in the bag.  The only way we will not make 15 years is if one of us dies.
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Re: Would You Want To Live Forever?
« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2011, 12:56:33 PM »
I'd love to live for 10,000-100K years with an option to continue as long as I dont' go insane from boredom. 70 years is just way too short to experience everything the universe has to offer.
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Re: Would You Want To Live Forever?
« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2011, 11:37:06 AM »
I'd love to live for 10,000-100K years with an option to continue as long as I dont' go insane from boredom. 70 years is just way too short to experience everything the universe has to offer.

it all depends on how you live everyday, now matter how long or short your life is.  well that's what I think.

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Re: Would You Want To Live Forever?
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2011, 11:55:24 AM »
Scientist don't  have  the power to extend human life forever. only GOD does. ://
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Wonder if this is what folks were thinking when a huge percentage of mothers died during childbirth back in the day. Or the fact that a big chunk of babies didn't make it past their first birthday due to diseases and other problems. When people used to die of malaria and the common cold or tb. Or when the thought of a kidney transplant was as alien as thinking about.. a kidney transplant.