Topic: Coaching during the match

[monstertruck]

I can understand the opinion that match coaching creates better technical play.

To me, it's a part of the game a player should learn.  Just like hitting volleys.

[Babblelot]

If both parties are indulging in on-court coaching then both players are at an even level of sorts. If only one player does it, then its cheating and that's what I hate to see.

I know, I know, I know.

I understood your stance the first three times you stated it.

You guys are stuck on cheating. The thread title is more open ended: Coaching during the match

[Babblelot]

Having said everything I've said, there's the matter of equitability. Namely, some players can't afford to pay their coach to travel to all of their matches...I guess. Sounds like a legitimate issue, but I'm not sure how much this actually plays out, because these guys, for the most part, are playing smaller events.

[monstertruck]

If both parties are indulging in on-court coaching then both players are at an even level of sorts. If only one player does it, then its cheating and that's what I hate to see.

I know, I know, I know.

I understood your stance the first three times you stated it.

You guys are stuck on cheating. The thread title is more open ended: Coaching during the match

By now you know it's more than just the cheating aspect of it for me.
 It just seems kinda lame.....

Next thing you know they'll have a frickin' caddie

[williamchung7]

This thread really went to wrong direction in last discussion.

The issue (coaching during the match) for me is simple. It is tennis, it is one to one individual battle for every match.
It is not NBA or football. It is tennis, it is how this sport form. No one is allowed to get further adivce from his coach or his team during the match.

For auncle toni, this issue got far more worse by what he is doing. He talked Nadal where he should stand in the match and what shot he should play during the game. Is that suppose to be in the pratice and training before the match? When you try to hold your serve, and you see your opponent get advice by his coach where he need to stand, what would you think? And we all know that for making return, figure out the position you need to stand is extremely important. Also, it is not like WTA or Davis Cup that both players can get advice during the breaks.....
 
I honestly fully support monstertruck. I am with you.

[falcon]

This thread really went to wrong direction in last discussion.

The issue (coaching during the match) for me is simple. It is tennis, it is one to one individual battle for every match.
It is not NBA or football. It is tennis, it is how this sport form. No one allow to get further adivce from his coach or his team.

For auncle toni, this issue got far more worse by what he is doing. He talked Nadal where he should stand in the match and what shot he should play during the game. Is that suppose to be in the pratice and training before the match? When you try to hold your serve, and you see your opponent get advice by his coach where he need to stand, what would you think? And we all know that for making return, figure out the position you need to stand is extremely important. Also, it is not like WTA or Davis Cup that both players can get advice during the breaks.....
 
I honestly fully support monstertruck. I am with you.

He did??  All I saw was the line call judgement. I don't know if the cameras caught anything else.

[monstertruck]

It's been going on for years Falc, and there's no reason to single out Nadal.

This article sums it up nicely.

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/09/30/its-time-to-stop-rafael-nadals-cheating/

[sid]

Thay all do it 

[Babblelot]

Thay all do it 

That's why I don't care about a "rule" that's not enforced. As far as I'm concerned, if it's not enforced, it ain't no rule.

[Babblelot]

It's been going on for years Falc, and there's no reason to single out Nadal.

This article sums it up nicely.

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/09/30/its-time-to-stop-rafael-nadals-cheating/

Good article, but this guy walks among the clouds.

Sure, there is coaching in other sports, but that is about their culture. Tennis is a test of your individuality, a game played without help. In fact, when a player cramps up, in tennis he is not seen as hurt, but as unfit and unprepared physically.

Tennis isn't the purist game that many dress it up to be.

Tennis is "All That" but it's also a game of deception and gamesmanship.
1. in-match coaching
2. taking too much time between points, server and returner
3. changing your racquet when there's no changeover (Federer)
4. challenging calls you know are out just so you can buy yourself time to catch your wits or your breath (Federer)
5. bulls**t "injury" timeouts
6. bathroom breaks (Federer)
7. arguing with the chair (Federer)
8. lollygagging/tanking games or sets

I'm not picking on Roger here. I'm just noting that I've even seen Roger do 4 of the 8 on this list.