Topic: Federer says confidence loss cost him major titles

[Dallas]

I believe all those statements should have been proceeded by "I THINK...."  because it's all opinions and everyone's opinion can be different.

[falcon]

I believe all those statements should have been proceeded by "I THINK...."  because it's all opinions and everyone's opinion can be different.

Didn't I say IMO first????? 

[Babblelot]

Federer revolutionized the game, Nole has revolutionized tennis fitness.

federer never revolutionized anything.......just like sampras he did his winning with textbook tennis.......he is lucky to have entered in the time frame he did.......if at all he did anything, he popularized tennis with the help of media and his nemesis rafael nadal.......

nadal is the one that revolutionized the way of winning.......he proved that one can be a GOAT without textbook tennis.......djokovic is just following suit......

Rafa is the unorthodox player in the bunch, but I'm not sure we can say he will revolutionize the sport. I don't see him having much of an impact on future generations because his game is so unique. For that matter, you might as well say Santoro revolutionized the game. Unique? Yes. Unorthodox? Yes. Did his style of play impact future generations. No. Therefore, he didn't revolutionize the sport.

Lendl and Navratilova revolutionized the sport with their fitness training. The sport hasn't been the same. That's how you revolutionize a sport.

[HarryWild]

We all kind of lack confidences while playing in matches with the exception of Djokovic that is!  He just rolls with the sets.  He knows at the end that he will win so why worry?

[FedFanForever]

I'd say Federer is THE revolutionary player because he was the first to combine awesome power with awesome finesse, both functioning at the highest levels simultaneously. He was THE complete player and set the template for everyone else to follow.

[monstertruck]

Interesting how the thread has devolved into a discussion over who revolutionized the game instead of talking about the importance of a player having confidence in their game.

Any thoughts as to why Rogi may have stopped believing in himself despite his accomplishments?  He seems to think he still has 'game' and his current ranking and performance would seem to indicate that. 

Does he fear Nole & Nadal now?
Is that the cause for a lack of confidence?

[Start da Game]

Interesting how the thread has devolved into a discussion over who revolutionized the game instead of talking about the importance of a player having confidence in their game.

Any thoughts as to why Rogi may have stopped believing in himself despite his accomplishments?  He seems to think he still has 'game' and his current ranking and performance would seem to indicate that. 

Does he fear Nole & Nadal now?
Is that the cause for a lack of confidence?

it's simple......nadal and djokovic did not bend over like roddick, hewitt and co. of the weak era......no surprise that he lost the last 4 out of 5 slams only to nadal and djokovic......

[monstertruck]

In relation to the topic at hand, I've never thought of Andy (not Murray) or Hewitt as lacking in confidence.

After early wins against both Nole & Rafa, what shift caused the purpoted decline in Fed's confidence?

[Alex]

as much as I appreciate everything he has achieved I still think that the fact that Nadal is literally owning him will hunt down  him to the rest of his life. guys say it's not that important but  it is. you can call Fed the GOAT but I don't think so. 

[Babblelot]

Enter swish, he's got the official criteria needed on one's resume.

[monstertruck]

as much as I appreciate everything he has achieved I still think that the fact that Nadal is literally owning him will hunt down  him to the rest of his life. guys say it's not that important but  it is. you can call Fed the GOAT but I don't think so.

That cannot be discounted.
I know it would eat me alive if I were a candidate for top dog.
Try as he might, he has yet to solve that riddle.

[mav140]

Interesting how the thread has devolved into a discussion over who revolutionized the game instead of talking about the importance of a player having confidence in their game.

Any thoughts as to why Rogi may have stopped believing in himself despite his accomplishments?  He seems to think he still has 'game' and his current ranking and performance would seem to indicate that. 

Does he fear Nole & Nadal now?
Is that the cause for a lack of confidence?

First, I have to say.. We are talking as if Djokovic has been consistently owning Fed for the last 4 years... As I recall, Djokovic had an awesome year (2011), but that is all there is... I  mean, SF at USO? Fed had 2 match points, one saved by an unreal shot by Djokovic... Fed beat him at RG.. What I mean to say, is that I think Federer likes his chances vs. Djokovic, he knows he might win or lose, but he might favor his chances.. It is not like Djokovic has been handling him multiple baggels...

Djokovic and Nadal are too different stories for Federer... While Djokovic is the man to beat right now, the matchup between Fed and Djokovic is something completely different than Fed vs. Nadal...

Do I think Fed has lost some confidence?? I trully believe so.. I have always stated this in the past.. But I think most of his lack of confidence has to come off from his friend and rival Nadal.. No other.. The fact that he has right now 16 GS, that JUST ONE GUY has the "·formula" to beat him consistently, the fact that evertyime he plays Nadal (in any surface) he feels he has to risk every forehand/backhand because he feels he hasn't found any formula for the high bouncing forehand to his one handed backhand, the fact that Nadal is the only one that has CONSISTENTLY BEEN BEATING FED in  his entire career is something that for anyone (we are all humans) could count as disheartening. Even if you are a 16 GS champion, this gets to you whether you like it or not, how can you counter-punch this big flaw? How come have I not found a way to win in the last 5-6 years? What more can I do to beat this guy? and suddenly you find yourself playing some 50th ranked atp player and won't be able to focus. And in his mind will be "has somebody else been able to come up with the same formula as Rafa?"...

ALL THIS IMHO

[swish]

Enter swish, he's got the official criteria needed on one's resume.

as much as I appreciate everything he has achieved I still think that the fact that Nadal is literally owning him will hunt down  him to the rest of his life. guys say it's not that important but  it is. you can call Fed the GOAT but I don't think so. 

You have to look at how things go against the whole field.
That's how slams are won and no one does it better than Fed.
 
Then you have to look at the #1 ranking, Fed has held this for so long and compiled it on Nadal's watch.
 
It may concern Fed but better to have just one guy bothering him.
To have different players beating you shows a weakness in the game.
 
There eventually may be a better player but no one playing now has much of a chance to take that position. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

[Alex]

Interesting how the thread has devolved into a discussion over who revolutionized the game instead of talking about the importance of a player having confidence in their game.

Any thoughts as to why Rogi may have stopped believing in himself despite his accomplishments?  He seems to think he still has 'game' and his current ranking and performance would seem to indicate that. 

Does he fear Nole & Nadal now?
Is that the cause for a lack of confidence?

First, I have to say.. We are talking as if Djokovic has been consistently owning Fed for the last 4 years... As I recall, Djokovic had an awesome year (2011), but that is all there is... I  mean, SF at USO? Fed had 2 match points, one saved by an unreal shot by Djokovic... Fed beat him at RG.. What I mean to say, is that I think Federer likes his chances vs. Djokovic, he knows he might win or lose, but he might favor his chances.. It is not like Djokovic has been handling him multiple baggels...

Djokovic and Nadal are too different stories for Federer... While Djokovic is the man to beat right now, the matchup between Fed and Djokovic is something completely different than Fed vs. Nadal...

Do I think Fed has lost some confidence?? I trully believe so.. I have always stated this in the past.. But I think most of his lack of confidence has to come off from his friend and rival Nadal.. No other.. The fact that he has right now 16 GS, that JUST ONE GUY has the "·formula" to beat him consistently, the fact that evertyime he plays Nadal (in any surface) he feels he has to risk every forehand/backhand because he feels he hasn't found any formula for the high bouncing forehand to his one handed backhand, the fact that Nadal is the only one that has CONSISTENTLY BEEN BEATING FED in  his entire career is something that for anyone (we are all humans) could count as disheartening. Even if you are a 16 GS champion, this gets to you whether you like it or not, how can you counter-punch this big flaw? How come have I not found a way to win in the last 5-6 years? What more can I do to beat this guy? and suddenly you find yourself playing some 50th ranked atp player and won't be able to focus. And in his mind will be "has somebody else been able to come up with the same formula as Rafa?"...

ALL THIS IMHO

kinda getting tired of this story 'Fed having match points and losing". HE LOST, lol. get it? no ifs or buts. as for Rafa and Fed, same old story... I still don't understand why some guys here get excited when they play. so silly, Rafa keeps pounding Rog's BH. Rafa wins, the end of story. sure Rog managed to win some indoor tournaments but whatever...

[FedFanForever]

Alex - relax your guy is #1 by a big margin. 

[Alex]

Alex - relax your guy is #1 by a big margin. 

well, I'm happy as a Nole fan, for sure. it's just that this whole Fedal thing is driving me crazy sometimes. 

[FedFanForever]

well, I'm happy as a Nole fan, for sure. it's just that this whole Fedal thing is driving me crazy sometimes. 

How do you think I felt as a Federer fan last year when Nadovic was dominating the headlines and winning all the big titles? Besides Nole is coming off the AO win, so he's still THE man right now. I know that greedy feeling as a fan, you want your guy to win every f**king title.

[Alex]

well, I'm happy as a Nole fan, for sure. it's just that this whole Fedal thing is driving me crazy sometimes. 

How do you think I felt as a Federer fan last year when Nadovic was dominating the headlines and winning all the big titles? Besides Nole is coming off the AO win, so he's still THE man right now. I know that greedy feeling as a fan, you want your guy to win every f**king title.

I know. it's just you Fed fans have to except the fact that Rog is slowing down. It's great that he won Dubai. I've been with Nole since like forever but Nole will slow down too at some point. It's the way life is. 

[FedFanForever]

I know. it's just you Fed fans have to except the fact that Rog is slowing down. It's great that he won Dubai. I've been with Nole since like forever but Nole will slow down too at some point. It's the way life is. 

Allow me to revel in one last golden period for Roger before his final decline whenever that is. 

[Dallas]

I know. it's just you Fed fans have to except the fact that Rog is slowing down. It's great that he won Dubai. I've been with Nole since like forever but Nole will slow down too at some point. It's the way life is. 

Allow me to revel in one last golden period for Roger before his final decline whenever that is. 

  I'm with you!!!!!