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Re: Players not named Djokovic, Nadal, Federer, Murray, or Del Potro thread
« Reply #40 on: March 17, 2012, 06:50:18 AM »
Somewhere in another thread monster asked me to elaborate on Gasquet.

But for his ground strokes, I hadn't seen him play much for a long time. Those days are gone. I've seen too much of him, now. Enough to make me a big critic of his gutless play. The groundies are there, but they no longer do anything for me. I've seen too much. Oddly, his ranking isn't that bad at the moment.
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Re: Players not named Djokovic, Nadal, Federer, Murray, or Del Potro thread
« Reply #41 on: March 17, 2012, 07:13:44 AM »
Somewhere in another thread monster asked me to elaborate on Gasquet.

But for his ground strokes, I hadn't seen him play much for a long time. Those days are gone. I've seen too much of him, now. Enough to make me a big critic of his gutless play. The groundies are there, but they no longer do anything for me. I've seen too much. Oddly, his ranking isn't that bad at the moment.

I have always had a hard time getting to like Gasquet.  His game is decent, looks a little odd to me though.
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Re: Players not named Djokovic, Nadal, Federer, Murray, or Del Potro thread
« Reply #42 on: March 17, 2012, 08:53:50 AM »
Somewhere in another thread monster asked me to elaborate on Gasquet.

But for his ground strokes, I hadn't seen him play much for a long time. Those days are gone. I've seen too much of him, now. Enough to make me a big critic of his gutless play. The groundies are there, but they no longer do anything for me. I've seen too much. Oddly, his ranking isn't that bad at the moment.
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I just haven't seen enough of him recently either.
I used to think he had potential to be a solid top 10 player.
Me liking a player apparently is the curse of death.
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Re: Players not named Djokovic, Nadal, Federer, Murray, or Del Potro thread
« Reply #43 on: March 17, 2012, 09:37:47 AM »
Gasquet was in the same league with Djokovic and Murray back in 2006. He simply didn't want to work too hard. while other guys evolved and improved their game Richie did nothing.  It pisses me off.

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Re: Players not named Djokovic, Nadal, Federer, Murray, or Del Potro thread
« Reply #44 on: March 17, 2012, 09:38:59 AM »
Gasquet was in the same league with Djokovic and Murray back in 2006. He simply didn't want to work too hard. while other guys evolved and improved their game Richie did nothing.  It pisses me off.

You are right. Gasquet is a good player.

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Re: Players not named Djokovic, Nadal, Federer, Murray, or Del Potro thread
« Reply #45 on: March 17, 2012, 03:41:30 PM »
Isner leads Djokovic 6-5 in the 3rd set. Regardless of the outcome, Big John is *the* guy the top players least want to see for one simple reason.

The game is in John's hands. Very little rhythmn, difficult serve to start a point from, let alone return. Short rallies. And he has a decent net game.
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Re: Players not named Djokovic, Nadal, Federer, Murray, or Del Potro thread
« Reply #46 on: March 17, 2012, 04:27:03 PM »
Want more proof that Big John is most feared by the top players. Here's what he was able to do against the best returner in the game and world #1.

21 aces
0 double faults
74% 1st serve
21/33 at the net
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Re: Players not named Djokovic, Nadal, Federer, Murray, or Del Potro thread
« Reply #47 on: March 17, 2012, 06:12:31 PM »
Finally I see that there's someone outside the top 4 that the top 4 fear.....it reminds me of the 90's  :))


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Re: Players not named Djokovic, Nadal, Federer, Murray, or Del Potro thread
« Reply #48 on: March 17, 2012, 09:57:35 PM »

Isner has improved his ground game especially on the backhand side. He also is great at pacing himself, and play his best during the big moments (end of sets etc). No doubt that top 4 doesnt want to see him in their section of the draw.

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Re: Players not named Djokovic, Nadal, Federer, Murray, or Del Potro thread
« Reply #49 on: March 17, 2012, 10:07:56 PM »
No one wants to see Isner is true.
With his ground game and now looking to be pretty decent movement he is dangerous.
Djokovic had problems with his ground game and that's very surprising.
 
 

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Re: Players not named Djokovic, Nadal, Federer, Murray, or Del Potro thread
« Reply #50 on: March 17, 2012, 10:47:39 PM »

Another player that can do more damage and cause more problems to the top players is Simon. He needs to add few more elements to his game and IMO that includes, more offensive minded game at right moments and improvement in serve.

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Re: Players not named Djokovic, Nadal, Federer, Murray, or Del Potro thread
« Reply #51 on: March 17, 2012, 11:04:43 PM »

Another player that can do more damage and cause more problems to the top players is Simon. He needs to add few more elements to his game and IMO that includes, more offensive minded game at right moments and improvement in serve.


He's very good but Davydenko is much better.
Davy can be almost perfect and has some real power, he can create angles that are just amazing.
 
I don't know why there are no highlights of him but I would love to see it.
 
I like his 'on' game right behind Federer's.

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Re: Players not named Djokovic, Nadal, Federer, Murray, or Del Potro thread
« Reply #52 on: March 18, 2012, 07:59:17 AM »
Finally I see that there's someone outside the top 4 that the top 4 fear.....it reminds me of the 90's  :))


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Re: Players not named Djokovic, Nadal, Federer, Murray, or Del Potro thread
« Reply #53 on: March 18, 2012, 09:56:11 AM »
Gasquet was in the same league with Djokovic and Murray back in 2006. He simply didn't want to work too hard. while other guys evolved and improved their game Richie did nothing.  It pisses me off.
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Re: Players not named Djokovic, Nadal, Federer, Murray, or Del Potro thread
« Reply #54 on: March 18, 2012, 09:58:18 AM »
Isner leads Djokovic 6-5 in the 3rd set. Regardless of the outcome, Big John is *the* guy the top players least want to see for one simple reason.

The game is in John's hands. Very little rhythmn, difficult serve to start a point from, let alone return. Short rallies. And he has a decent net game.
I've always thought that this is the key to beating rally players.
Disrupt their timing.
Don't allow them to groove their strokes.
Move into the forecourt whenever possible so they're faced with something other than a rally ball.
Yup.  Yup.
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Re: Players not named Djokovic, Nadal, Federer, Murray, or Del Potro thread
« Reply #55 on: March 18, 2012, 10:01:06 AM »
Want more proof that Big John is most feared by the top players. Here's what he was able to do against the best returner in the game and world #1.

21 aces
0 double faults
74% 1st serve
21/33 at the net
I'm not sure what the total number of 2nd serves attempted was, but I think if you don't have 3 or 4 over the course of 3 sets then you're not going for enough on the 2nd serve. 

This only applies if you're the weaker player off the ground.
Within each service game, there are times when you it's a smart play to up the ante on the 2nd serve and take a few more risks.  Goes hand in hand with the aforementioned theory of keeping points short and disrupting rhythm. :)
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Re: Players not named Djokovic, Nadal, Federer, Murray, or Del Potro thread
« Reply #56 on: March 18, 2012, 11:51:32 AM »
Want more proof that Big John is most feared by the top players. Here's what he was able to do against the best returner in the game and world #1.

21 aces
0 double faults
74% 1st serve
21/33 at the net

Isner was incredible.

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Re: Players not named Djokovic, Nadal, Federer, Murray, or Del Potro thread
« Reply #57 on: March 18, 2012, 02:37:41 PM »
Want more proof that Big John is most feared by the top players. Here's what he was able to do against the best returner in the game and world #1.

21 aces
0 double faults
74% 1st serve
21/33 at the net
I'm not sure what the total number of 2nd serves attempted was, but I think if you don't have 3 or 4 over the course of 3 sets then you're not going for enough on the 2nd serve. 

This only applies if you're the weaker player off the ground.
Within each service game, there are times when you it's a smart play to up the ante on the 2nd serve and take a few more risks.  Goes hand in hand with the aforementioned theory of keeping points short and disrupting rhythm. :)

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Re: Players not named Djokovic, Nadal, Federer, Murray, or Del Potro thread
« Reply #58 on: March 18, 2012, 03:09:39 PM »
Want more proof that Big John is most feared by the top players. Here's what he was able to do against the best returner in the game and world #1.

21 aces
0 double faults
74% 1st serve
21/33 at the net
I'm not sure what the total number of 2nd serves attempted was, but I think if you don't have 3 or 4 over the course of 3 sets then you're not going for enough on the 2nd serve. 

This only applies if you're the weaker player off the ground.
Within each service game, there are times when you it's a smart play to up the ante on the 2nd serve and take a few more risks.  Goes hand in hand with the aforementioned theory of keeping points short and disrupting rhythm. :)

Nice contribute Hoss. :good:

Yes.

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Re: Players not named Djokovic, Nadal, Federer, Murray, or Del Potro thread
« Reply #59 on: March 18, 2012, 06:27:10 PM »
Want more proof that Big John is most feared by the top players. Here's what he was able to do against the best returner in the game and world #1.

21 aces
0 double faults
74% 1st serve
21/33 at the net
I'm not sure what the total number of 2nd serves attempted was, but I think if you don't have 3 or 4 over the course of 3 sets then you're not going for enough on the 2nd serve. 

This only applies if you're the weaker player off the ground.
Within each service game, there are times when you it's a smart play to up the ante on the 2nd serve and take a few more risks.  Goes hand in hand with the aforementioned theory of keeping points short and disrupting rhythm. :)

Nice contribute Hoss. :good:

Yes.

The standard is how he does against Fed, that's were the truth lies.  :cool: