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Re: OFFICIAL 2012 U.S. OPEN (MEN)
« Reply #60 on: August 25, 2012, 04:59:07 AM »
This *is* the presentation I saw!!  :king:

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Katarina Pijetlovic, LL.B, LL.M, LL.Lic. LL.D cand.
EU and sports law academic

Facts and statistics strongly indicate that draws at the Grand Slam tournaments 2008-2011 might have been fixed
at the very top of men's tennis. Namely, in 12 out of 12 Grand Slam tournaments played on hard and grass courts
between 2008-2011, Federer and Djokovic were always drawn to the same half of the draw, while Nadal and
Murray were drawn to the other half. In addition, in five of those 12 tournaments Murray was not among the first
four seeded players, so his draw was conducted separately five times. Thus, the statistics are as follows: to get the
same result 12 out of 12 times, probability is 1 in 4096. For the case of Murray's separate draws which produced
the same result 5 out of 5 times, it is 1 in 32. THEREFORE, THE PROBABILITY TO OBTAIN DRAW RESULTS AS
OBTAINED AT THE 12 GRAND SLAM TOURNAMENTS IS 131072 TO 1 (4096 x 32 = 131072). Combined with the
study conducted by ESPN on the draws of unseeded players at US Open it reaches 1 in many BILLIONS.


more
http://www.playthegame.org/fileadmin/image/knowledgebank/Tennisdraws_Katarina_Pijetlovic.pdf

This is great because she questions motives based on monetary incentives $$$$$$$
Katarina comes on at 12:20 in the video below.
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There it is. I didn't need anyone to tell me that the draws have been wussified. I've been saying it for years!! Whilst all y'all watch the bloodbath in Arthur Ashe during Days 1-4, I'm on the outer courts watching the real tennis. So rigging the draws in favor of the top players works out just fine for me.   :)
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Re: OFFICIAL 2012 U.S. OPEN (MEN)
« Reply #61 on: August 25, 2012, 06:25:38 AM »
Crikey, Babblelot!  Your posts / links are sobering indeed.   I can't say I blame you for going to watch the real tennis.

Whilst I didn't have this information to hand then, I made a comment on another thread here about how "tedious" it is for the same few men getting virually every title going. The information you have disclosed appears to support the fact that the status quo I refer to, is artificially encouraged.  Whilst the same players winning can be tedious,  if it is due to a contrived process , it is both depressing and unacceptable.  Where does fair competition come into all of this?  If what is being proposed in these articles true, and the content does seem compelling, it is an aberration.     

It comes as no surprise that the commercial aspects of these tournaments is of significant influence. Wimbledon, for example, do not make money from ticket sales but television rights & I can't see how it would be different for the other slams & tournaments.  The entertainment value of the "superstars" no doubt wins over fair play for all competitors.  I have seen people complain here & it no doubt happens on other boards too,  that their hero has been relegated to the "less" best court, and how unfair that is.  It seems we prop up the system, perpetuating the requirement that the elite in the sport get the best possible playing conditions, and hence an advantage over their lower ranked colleagues.   I have attended tournaments where seats in the main courts lie empty, knowing lots of tennis fans would have loved to have seen the matches.  Corporate clients & television rights are the priority.    Nadal, to his credit, spoke out during last years USO that all the organisers cared about is money.  He was referring to the pathetic organisation during the rain storms, but his point is well made.

The information you have posted is obviously in the public domain.   I wonder if the Players Council is going to look at this.  The bulk of the players should stand up to such machinations, as should the tennis community of former players/commentators/journalists.   Mind you, would any of them risk jeopardising their own meal ticket by doing so?   Would the top players, for example, stand up in the spirit of brotherhood & help change the system?  I'm not holding my breath.

As a member of the British Tennis Lawn Tennis Association, I'll see if there is way of meaningfully raising concerns on this issue.   
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Re: OFFICIAL 2012 U.S. OPEN (MEN)
« Reply #62 on: August 25, 2012, 06:31:53 AM »
You go, GBY!!   :)>>>> :)>>>>
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Re: OFFICIAL 2012 U.S. OPEN (MEN)
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Re: OFFICIAL 2012 U.S. OPEN (MEN)
« Reply #64 on: August 25, 2012, 06:35:21 PM »
The schedule for Monday is out:

http://www.usopen.org/en_US/scores/schedule/index.html?promo=subnav


WOW!! Days 2 and 3 are going to be tennis heavan  :cloud 9:  because I've never seen a bigger piece of crap schedule as this for Day 1.

This is the best I can do!  :scared:
First up: Lisicki v. Cristea, court 13
First up: Blake v. Lacko, Armstrong
Second up: Sock v. Mayer, Grandstand  :thumbs-up:
Third up: Kvitova v. Hercog, Grandstand  :)
Fourth up: Cilic v. Matosevic, Court 17

So bad I'll be watching 2 women's matches!!  :bang-head:  But at least I'll get to mark of Sock and Kvitova, and Lisicki-Cristea is eye candy.
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« Reply #65 on: August 25, 2012, 06:58:30 PM »
Just enjoy Babbs! Blake will be playing...you can always go see him! Lol! And of course Roger is playing too!

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« Reply #66 on: August 25, 2012, 07:45:59 PM »
Yeah Babbs, just enjoy yourself!
Dallas is right, go see James goddammit!
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Re: OFFICIAL 2012 U.S. OPEN (MEN)
« Reply #67 on: August 26, 2012, 12:01:33 AM »
Maybe you two are right about Blake  :)
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Re: OFFICIAL 2012 U.S. OPEN (MEN)
« Reply #68 on: August 26, 2012, 05:20:20 AM »
There is a good choice, Babblelot!   You've chosen some interesting ones.  I also think the Lacko / Blake should be fun as they can both play a nice game. From a quick look at the schedule,  my other picks are:

Sock / Mayer; Cilic / Matosevic; Mathieu / Andreev;  Chardy / Volandri; R. Haase / Lopez; Klizan / Falla.

I hope you'll get good weather & get to see lots of excellent tennis. Have fun!   
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Re: OFFICIAL 2012 U.S. OPEN (MEN)
« Reply #69 on: August 26, 2012, 09:57:20 PM »
I don't see a chance of tennis being played tomorrow.   :rain:

http://www.weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/graph/New+York+NY+USNY0996:1:US?pagenum=2&nextbeginIndex=6

We're gettin' it real good in Chicago right now. My only hope is that I get to my hotel by tomorrow night. One day of rain is never unwelcome. It just makes the next day a bottle neck of tennis. My choices should be really good for Tuesday and Wednesday should Monday be a wash.  :)
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Re: OFFICIAL 2012 U.S. OPEN (MEN)
« Reply #70 on: August 27, 2012, 08:38:18 AM »
Made it. At the gates now. Oppressive heat but showers on the way ....????

In touch with pawan now. We're trying to hook up for Blake.

Pawan is fearless, unlike my friends (cough cough) Chris, Dallas, and BGT who are too SCAIRT to hook up with good ol' Bab.

Boooooooo!!!!!
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« Reply #71 on: August 27, 2012, 09:29:37 AM »
Made it. At the gates now. Oppressive heat but showers on the way ....????

In touch with pawan now. We're trying to hook up for Blake.

Pawan is fearless, unlike my friends (cough cough) Chris, Dallas, and BGT who are too SCAIRT to hook up with good ol' Bab.

Boooooooo!!!!!

Your more appealing from a distance.  :rofl_2:
 
Have a picture of you and Pawan, that would be nice.
 
Then have a picture of you and Fed to your left and Djokovic to your right, have Murray take the picture.  :rofl_2:

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Re: OFFICIAL 2012 U.S. OPEN (MEN)
« Reply #72 on: August 27, 2012, 09:59:15 AM »
Here with the Pawan clan now!
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« Reply #73 on: August 27, 2012, 11:11:56 AM »
You guys are crazy!!!!  But have fun ....and KEEP THE RAIN AWAY! (especially tonight!) :rofl_2:

P.S. - Blake is looking good right now!  Are you guys watching?

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Re: OFFICIAL 2012 U.S. OPEN (MEN)
« Reply #74 on: August 27, 2012, 01:55:40 PM »
We watched Blake together then he and little Pawan went to Nishikori and I went to Sock-Mayer. Then the rain came. I checked the forecast and bolted. Pawan wanted to see Murray. I assume he's at Ashe now.
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« Reply #75 on: August 27, 2012, 02:20:12 PM »
If he's at Ashe now, he has watched Murray hold one serve and Bogomolov hold absolutely no serves yet.

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« Reply #76 on: August 27, 2012, 05:20:32 PM »
Anything short of perfection from Federer this week will be viewed as troublesome by the media. Heaven forbid he gets broken one time.
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« Reply #77 on: August 27, 2012, 05:58:54 PM »
fish vs soeda:
 
tiebreaker time. who will blink first?

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« Reply #78 on: August 27, 2012, 06:04:17 PM »
Not Fish
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Re: OFFICIAL 2012 U.S. OPEN (MEN)
« Reply #79 on: August 27, 2012, 06:25:14 PM »
Just saw that Donald Young is ranked 81, higher than Rosol at #100, when he beat Rafa...
Roger better be careful.....😃