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Join the Discussion about tennis generations
« on: September 05, 2012, 10:34:17 PM »
FreeBird and I were having this conversation in the US Open thread, and I want to continue, so I'm moving it here.

No, there are 2 men that have the mettle to win from this gen. Nole and Rafa. Past generation had multiple champions--men with the mentality of a champion.

I don't place Roger in this generation.

Overall, I agree.  Plenty of interesting discussion in this area, maybe for a different thread :). Bird comes back after that great shot by Fed, still on serve.

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« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2012, 10:40:21 PM »
OK, here's what I want to add:

The reason the current generation never cultivated a champions mentality is that they play a passive game. In the past, when the game was on the line, when their backs were against the wall, champions attacked. Today, players play passively and wait it out hoping their opponent will error before they do.

Just watch big points today. Who's attacking? Who wants to win the point and not lose it? Who's got the mettle to take the offense? It's this passivity that permeates their game, their mentality. Murray's problem is that of the Top 4, he's the most passive.
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« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2012, 06:19:59 AM »
Great topic!
Will mull it over and check in later. :)
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« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2012, 07:12:12 AM »
OK, here's what I want to add:

The reason the current generation never cultivated a champions mentality is that they play a passive game. In the past, when the game was on the line, when their backs were against the wall, champions attacked. Today, players play passively and wait it out hoping their opponent will error before they do.

Just watch big points today. Who's attacking? Who wants to win the point and not lose it? Who's got the mettle to take the offense? It's this passivity that permeates their game, their mentality. Murray's problem is that of the Top 4, he's the most passive.

I'd expect you to pick out Murray bab nothing new in that.Why not try looking @ the USO like this? of the top ten tennis players 6 are still left in,maybe thats somthing to think about.

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« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2012, 07:18:15 AM »
Above i should have said top 9 as Nadal never played.

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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2012, 10:08:29 AM »
OK, here's what I want to add:

The reason the current generation never cultivated a champions mentality is that they play a passive game. In the past, when the game was on the line, when their backs were against the wall, champions attacked. Today, players play passively and wait it out hoping their opponent will error before they do.

Just watch big points today. Who's attacking? Who wants to win the point and not lose it? Who's got the mettle to take the offense? It's this passivity that permeates their game, their mentality. Murray's problem is that of the Top 4, he's the most passive.

I couldn't agree more.

There's a reason why some players always bend over to their masters at certain point.
Passive game won't win slams. Thats why even Murray had to try to be aggressive at Wimbly final. But it wasn't good enough for Fed.
 
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« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2012, 10:55:48 AM »
aggressive tennis is much prettier to watch but almost nobody plays it any more. I still miss Nole 2007/08 when he was so  aggressive. players like Roger and Berdych are aggressive but even old Fed can't execute that type of game all the time. you are prone to make UE.

nowadays, it's all about fitness and endurance. you have to be simply 100% fit in order to win. when I look at Djokovic, Nadal and Murray I really sometimes shake my head.

 I guess my point is that if you have some sort of balance in your game is probably the best. being able to defend and attack at the same time is what today's tennis is all about.

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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2012, 11:10:49 AM »
yes Alex, but both Nole and Rafa showed us they can play aggressively, especially Nole.
Murray however only surprised me in Wimly final where he really went after Roger, hitting the ball so hard.

There's a reason why Haas likes to play flat and clean hitters. He just likes the rhythm of it. Hence beating Berdych, Tsonga, Fed, Nalbandian, Fish etc this year.
Whenever he face some passive player, with PLENTY of topspin(higher bounce) he loses his nerves, thus creating so many UE's.
Those where matches against Monaco, Cervenak, Granollers etc...

Thats why Tommy will always be a threat for Fed and Nole. Rafa is just a 'bad matchup' for him due to his heavy topspin.
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« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2012, 11:40:13 AM »
Nole Murray Ferrer Berdych Del Potro Tipsarevic can all hit a ball hard enough if thay want to.Fitness and endurance is also needed as Alex says,when was the last time 6 of the top 9 seeds were left in @ this stage?

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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2012, 11:59:45 AM »
it's just laughable that fedtards cast out federer from the nadal, nole, murray generation........that is like saying that nadal doesn't belong to the 2009 - present generation........ 
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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2012, 01:03:49 PM »
Federer was born 5 years before, and grew up playing in a different era. His generation is Roddick, Hewitt, Ferrero, Davydenko, Ferrer etc.

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« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2012, 01:27:31 PM »
Federer was born 5 years before, and grew up playing in a different era. His generation is Roddick, Hewitt, Ferrero, Davydenko, Ferrer etc.

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« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2012, 01:31:42 PM »
I started this thread in the 3rd set when I wrote that Berdych (and earlier Cilic) curl up in the fetal position once they get a huge lead against the likes of Federer.

Berdych didn't disappoint.

And then something amazing happened. He regrouped, came back from being out on his feet, and won!

Kudos to Berdych. Let's got to help his confidence. He's never done that before in his career.  :applause:
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« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2012, 01:39:41 PM »
I started this thread in the 3rd set when I wrote that Berdych (and earlier Cilic) curl up in the fetal position once they get a huge lead against the likes of Federer.

Berdych didn't disappoint.

And then something amazing happened. He regrouped, came back from being out on his feet, and won!

Kudos to Berdych. Let's got to help his confidence. He's never done that before in his career.  :applause:

berdman did beat fed before in a slam, unlike most of those chumps who fedtards keep repeating as fed "generation" players as if that 5 year age gap would make any difference to the spankings nadal gave to federer first on clay, then on grass and then hards and all the matches which novak took it to fed in his so called prime........

berdych won his wimbledon quarterfinal in a similar fashion........he doesn't like federer since the time fed made those comments about berdych just before their wimbledon 2010 match........i saw that fire in him in his first round as well when he thrashed that little fedtard called david goffin........


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« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2012, 01:51:35 PM »
I started this thread in the 3rd set when I wrote that Berdych (and earlier Cilic) curl up in the fetal position once they get a huge lead against the likes of Federer.

Berdych didn't disappoint.

And then something amazing happened. He regrouped, came back from being out on his feet, and won!

Kudos to Berdych. Let's got to help his confidence. He's never done that before in his career.  :applause:

berdman did beat fed before in a slam,

I'm aware of that and that was not my point. I'm referring to his hyperventilation act against Roger at the 2009(?) AO when he led 2-0 sets and was up a break in the 3rd. Same scenario was playing out last night. Up 2-0 sets and a break and he practically fainted thinking about the chance of beating Federer.

I was simply amazed he recovered.
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« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2012, 01:52:14 PM »
Federer's generation has nothing to do with who he was able to beat. It's to do with when he was born.

Roddick, Hewitt, Ferrero, Davydenko, Nalbandian and so on, are all in the same generation, irrespective of their win/loss records.

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« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2012, 01:56:38 PM »

nowadays, it's all about fitness and endurance. you have to be simply 100% fit in order to win. when I look at Djokovic, Nadal and Murray I really sometimes shake my head.

 I guess my point is that if you have some sort of balance in your game is probably the best. being able to defend and attack at the same time is what today's tennis is all about.

Yes, it's all of that, now. When the game, set, match is on the line, it's not about first strike, "I have to win this point!" tennis. Now it's "I can't lose this point." tennis. It's sitting back and waiting for your opponent to collapse.

I say that style of play permeates one's mental approach to tennis and explains why so many of these phenomenal athletes don't know what to do when they are in a winning position.
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« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2012, 02:20:03 PM »
Federer's generation has nothing to do with who he was able to beat. It's to do with when he was born.

Roddick, Hewitt, Ferrero, Davydenko, Nalbandian and so on, are all in the same generation, irrespective of their win/loss records.


You probably missed the M*A*S*H reference

...(M*A*S*H) is a medical drama that... follows a team of doctors and support staff stationed at the "4077th Mobile Army Surgical Hospital"

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« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2012, 02:43:38 PM »
hehe I think I got that reference even I didn't know about that tv show.

I think we all are going to miss that generation soon  :Confused: :Confused:


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« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2012, 10:03:52 PM »
it's just laughable that fedtards cast out federer from the nadal, nole, murray generation........that is like saying that nadal doesn't belong to the 2009 - present generation........

What's laughable - or sad - is the near-constant string of out-of-touch garbage spewed by those who use the phrase 'fedtard' on a regular basis.  This just in - 5 years is a long time in the tennis world. 
Good luck on the court is nice to have, but it's usually extraneous when playing against Baker.