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Re: 2012 Barclays ATP World Tour Finals, 11/5-12/2012
« Reply #140 on: November 18, 2012, 11:45:33 AM »
 A look at Federer’s career in two parts.
2003 – 2007: 49 tiles
Majors: 12
Masters: 17
Others: 20
2008 – 2012: 23 titles
Majors: 5
Masters: 9
Others:  9
You can say he lost his edge since 2008 and his peak years were from 2003 to 2007 or you can say that the 2nd part of his career saw better competition overall.



 
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Re: 2012 Barclays ATP World Tour Finals, 11/5-12/2012
« Reply #141 on: November 18, 2012, 11:50:38 AM »
his peak started in 2008.......
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Re: 2012 Barclays ATP World Tour Finals, 11/5-12/2012
« Reply #142 on: November 18, 2012, 11:54:59 AM »
Federer's peak started with losses to Roddick, Blake, Fish and Stepanek.

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Re: 2012 Barclays ATP World Tour Finals, 11/5-12/2012
« Reply #143 on: November 18, 2012, 12:01:26 PM »
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Re: 2012 Barclays ATP World Tour Finals, 11/5-12/2012
« Reply #144 on: November 18, 2012, 12:04:55 PM »
his peak started in 2008.......

Federer is a highly consistent player; that's why it's very hard to define his peak years. If we go by his results only, then it suggests, he struggled in his later years and perhaps he was past his peaks years by then (2008). But if we go by his consistency alone, then it suggests, he saw tougher competition in the later part of his career while he was still at his peak. 
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Re: 2012 Barclays ATP World Tour Finals, 11/5-12/2012
« Reply #145 on: November 18, 2012, 12:12:18 PM »
his peak started in 2008.......

Federer is a highly consistent player; that's why it's very hard to define his peak years. If we go by his results only, then it suggests, he struggled in his later years and perhaps he was past his peaks years by then (2008). But if we go by his consistency alone, then it suggests, he saw tougher competition in the later part of his career while he was still at his peak.
Federer became much less consistent after 2008, especially outside of the slams.  October 2011 - August 2012 was arguably his best non slam period since 2006 (won 4 masters, 4 ATP events). You can see what Fed was missing in consistency before, by looking at that period.

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Re: 2012 Barclays ATP World Tour Finals, 11/5-12/2012
« Reply #146 on: November 18, 2012, 01:26:43 PM »
his peak started in 2008.......

Federer is a highly consistent player; that's why it's very hard to define his peak years. If we go by his results only, then it suggests, he struggled in his later years and perhaps he was past his peaks years by then (2008). But if we go by his consistency alone, then it suggests, he saw tougher competition in the later part of his career while he was still at his peak.
Federer became much less consistent after 2008, especially outside of the slams.  October 2011 - August 2012 was arguably his best non slam period since 2006 (won 4 masters, 4 ATP events). You can see what Fed was missing in consistency before, by looking at that period.

yes it had nothing to do with the rise of nadal, djokovic, murray and what they did to his mind by beating him........
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Re: 2012 Barclays ATP World Tour Finals, 11/5-12/2012
« Reply #147 on: November 18, 2012, 02:18:33 PM »
It doesn't matter what the cause was. Federer had never made the final in Paris, losing to Monfils, Benneteau etc. He hadn't reached the final of IW since 2006 (lost to Baghdatis, Fish, Canas). He hadn't won Dubai since 2007.

There's no need to even consider the top 4. From USO '11 to USO '12, Federer failed to reached the semis once. That's the consistency he was missing in previous years, where he lost early in one of the summer tournaments, or in Paris or IW/Miami, or Rome.

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Re: 2012 Barclays ATP World Tour Finals, 11/5-12/2012
« Reply #148 on: November 20, 2012, 02:07:19 PM »
Federer is not determined to win everything. He's supposed to lose some. But it's interesting to notice that he's consistently lost to the top 3 far more than to anyone else. Two of them, in fact, lead the H2H.
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« Reply #149 on: November 20, 2012, 03:31:17 PM »
Federer is not determined to win everything. He's supposed to lose some. But it's interesting to notice that he's consistently lost to the top 3 far more than to anyone else. Two of them, in fact, lead the H2H.
That's hardly surprising given how much better the other members of the 'top 4' are than the rest of the field, and also the fact he meets them more frequently.

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Re: 2012 Barclays ATP World Tour Finals, 11/5-12/2012
« Reply #150 on: November 20, 2012, 04:19:30 PM »
Federer is not determined to win everything. He's supposed to lose some. But it's interesting to notice that he's consistently lost to the top 3 far more than to anyone else. Two of them, in fact, lead the H2H.

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Re: 2012 Barclays ATP World Tour Finals, 11/5-12/2012
« Reply #151 on: November 21, 2012, 11:38:41 AM »
It doesn't matter what the cause was. Federer had never made the final in Paris, losing to Monfils, Benneteau etc. He hadn't reached the final of IW since 2006 (lost to Baghdatis, Fish, Canas). He hadn't won Dubai since 2007.

There's no need to even consider the top 4. From USO '11 to USO '12, Federer failed to reached the semis once. That's the consistency he was missing in previous years, where he lost early in one of the summer tournaments, or in Paris or IW/Miami, or Rome.
not sure what I'm missing here. Didn't Fed win Paris last year def. Tsonga :confused1:? if you are talking about RG Paris, he won that too.

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Re: 2012 Barclays ATP World Tour Finals, 11/5-12/2012
« Reply #152 on: November 21, 2012, 04:43:24 PM »
It doesn't matter what the cause was. Federer had never made the final in Paris, losing to Monfils, Benneteau etc. He hadn't reached the final of IW since 2006 (lost to Baghdatis, Fish, Canas). He hadn't won Dubai since 2007.

There's no need to even consider the top 4. From USO '11 to USO '12, Federer failed to reached the semis once. That's the consistency he was missing in previous years, where he lost early in one of the summer tournaments, or in Paris or IW/Miami, or Rome.
not sure what I'm missing here. Didn't Fed win Paris last year def. Tsonga :confused1:? if you are talking about RG Paris, he won that too.
I'm talking about before his October 2011 - August 2012 period. Federer hadn't reached the final of Paris before last November.

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Re: 2012 Barclays ATP World Tour Finals, 11/5-12/2012
« Reply #153 on: November 21, 2012, 05:06:34 PM »
It doesn't matter what the cause was. Federer had never made the final in Paris, losing to Monfils, Benneteau etc. He hadn't reached the final of IW since 2006 (lost to Baghdatis, Fish, Canas). He hadn't won Dubai since 2007.

There's no need to even consider the top 4. From USO '11 to USO '12, Federer failed to reached the semis once. That's the consistency he was missing in previous years, where he lost early in one of the summer tournaments, or in Paris or IW/Miami, or Rome.
not sure what I'm missing here. Didn't Fed win Paris last year def. Tsonga :confused1:? if you are talking about RG Paris, he won that too.
I'm talking about before his October 2011 - August 2012 period. Federer hadn't reached the final of Paris before last November.
oh, OK. get it. misunderstood what you were saying  btw,  :).