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Re: 2013 ATP Masters & WTA Premier 5 Rome (13-19 May)
« Reply #160 on: May 18, 2013, 03:08:56 PM »
Slasher, could you give me, il you know it, the ratio Wins/losses all through Fed's career ?  Whereever I read, I never get the same ratios.

The data on the ITF site is probably correct, since they count ITF level tournaments as well, so it's 932-221.

If we combine the data on ATP with ITF, we get:
ATP level: 892-203
Challenger level: 16-7
ITF level: 24-11

So nice of you, quick response highly appreciated   :king:

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Re: 2013 ATP Masters & WTA Premier 5 Rome (13-19 May)
« Reply #161 on: May 18, 2013, 03:13:15 PM »
ATP Main Tour Only Top 10 Career Stats* 

Note that some of the below may only be partial or inexact career stats for players like Laver and Connors, maybe others.
* Source is ATP Reliability Index- prior to Rome I believe

Code: [Select]
                      Career  Career    Career
                       Index  Titles    Win-Loss
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1. Rafael Nadal .832 55 614-124
2. Bjorn Borg .827 64 608-127
3. Jimmy Connors .818 108 1243-277
4. Ivan Lendl .818 94 1071-239
5. Roger Federer .815 76 892-203
6. John McEnroe .815 77 875-198
7. Novak Djokovic .797 37 495-126
8. Rod Laver .793 41 415-108
9. Pete Sampras .774 64 762-222
10. Boris Becker .769 49 713-214

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Re: 2013 ATP Masters & WTA Premier 5 Rome (13-19 May)
« Reply #162 on: May 18, 2013, 03:23:27 PM »
ATP Main Tour Only Top 10 Career Stats* 

Note that some of the below may only be partial or inexact career stats for players like Laver and Connors, maybe others.
* Source is ATP Reliability Index- prior to Rome I believe

Code: [Select]
                      Career  Career    Career
                       Index  Titles    Win-Loss
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1. Rafael Nadal .832 55 614-124
2. Bjorn Borg .827 64 608-127
3. Jimmy Connors .818 108 1243-277
4. Ivan Lendl .818 94 1071-239
5. Roger Federer .815 76 892-203
6. John McEnroe .815 77 875-198
7. Novak Djokovic .797 37 495-126
8. Rod Laver .793 41 415-108
9. Pete Sampras .774 64 762-222
10. Boris Becker .769 49 713-214

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Thank you  :)

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Re: 2013 ATP Masters & WTA Premier 5 Rome (13-19 May)
« Reply #163 on: May 18, 2013, 03:30:09 PM »
Of course, one has to look at these stats with a keen eye.

Borg retired early, still somewhere near his peak.
Nadal is still somewhere near his peak.
Federer is not at his peak, but still near prime (still winning majors or in top 4).
Djokovic is near peak.

The rest are retired and many played well past their peak and even their prime so their percentages are lower.
Some of the players played more in conditions/tournaments that suited them more skewing the percentages.

There are probably even more nuances... :)
Stats are stats, but as always, one may draw different conclusions from them, depending on one's point of view.

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Re: 2013 ATP Masters & WTA Premier 5 Rome (13-19 May)
« Reply #164 on: May 18, 2013, 03:46:25 PM »
Of course, one has to look at these stats with a keen eye.

Borg retired early, still somewhere near his peak.
Nadal is still somewhere near his peak.
Federer is not at his peak, but still near prime (still winning majors or in top 4).
Djokovic is near peak.

The rest are retired and many played well past their peak and even their prime so their percentages are lower.
Some of the players played more in conditions/tournaments that suited them more skewing the percentages.

There are probably even more nuances... :)
Stats are stats, but as always, one may draw different conclusions from them, depending on one's point of view.

Respectfully,
masterclass

Yes, I am well aware of the nuances to take into account.. I have been interested in stats for quite a while, so understand how to analyze them.

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Re: 2013 ATP Masters & WTA Premier 5 Rome (13-19 May)
« Reply #165 on: May 18, 2013, 03:50:40 PM »
I have not watched Fed's match, but according to what I read on French forums, Fed was far from being as good as the previous days..  Very few winners, even more unforced errors, 1 ace for 11 yesterday.. I would be grateful to get your view on the match.

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2013 ATP Masters & WTA Premier 5 Rome (13-19 May)
« Reply #166 on: May 18, 2013, 04:20:13 PM »
Glad to see all my favorites win today! ROGER - SERENA - VICTORIA!

The sad thing now? Serena has to play Victoria and Roger has to play Nadal

I'm pulling for Serena, but won't be sad if Victoria wins.

For the men...I just hope Roger can, at lease, make it a close match. I don't think he will win but I don't want him to get embarrassed either! 


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Re: 2013 ATP Masters & WTA Premier 5 Rome (13-19 May)
« Reply #167 on: May 18, 2013, 04:47:09 PM »
Elsa, I'm not sure you were asking me or Slasher, but it was kind of a strange match for me.  Federer appeared nowhere near as sharp as the previous 3 matches.  Paire was very good at times, and not so good at others, especially when it counted, whereas Federer was almost the opposite.  I would think many may not have been impressed with the overall level of play from both men.  Paire was +7 on winners vs. unforced errors, while Federer was -7, which was much worse than he had shown on the previous nights.

Now, my take on some of the potential reasons for this play based on my experience. 

Some very experienced and excellent players have the ability to purposely lower their level of play against opponents that have been playing well, to make the opponent play worse.  This may have been what Federer was doing to Paire.  Probably, only Federer would know.

Or, Federer has played only at night in Rome (which he does not love to do these days due to family), and last night played quite late (till just after midnight) vs. Janowicz.  He couldn't have had much rest.  Maybe he was rather flat or a bit tired or may have been trying to save himself as much as possible, knowing Rafa is lurking in the final.  Again, only Federer would know.

Or, perhaps Paire was playing in a way that led Federer to not play at his best.

But it seemed when it really counted, Federer was able to lift his game to do what was needed, while Paire's got worse under real pressure.

A casual watcher may have thought Paire deserved the first set, at least up until the tiebreaker, where he was rather woeful.
In, the second set, Federer had more control after he broke Paire, but one couldn't be sure given his overall lower level of play.

I'm sure others (mostly haters) will state reasons like Federer was not playing well due to the Rafa Final factor, or that he is getting old and can't play more than 1 or 2 good matches consecutively, or that he is done, and should retire... but I don't give these much significance.

I'll be curious to how Federer and Nadal play tomorrow and how the weather will pan out.  Forecast is for cooler weather (high of 20 C), rain in the morning, then clearing and somewhat breezy conditions (20 km/hr) at match time.  Damper, cooler conditions might restrict the usual higher bounce during the day and favor Federer and allow him to play aggressively.   But if it is not like that, and Nadal can produce his usual high bouncing topspin, I think it will make things tough on Federer.

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Re: 2013 ATP Masters & WTA Premier 5 Rome (13-19 May)
« Reply #168 on: May 18, 2013, 04:55:42 PM »
Of course, one has to look at these stats with a keen eye.

Borg retired early, still somewhere near his peak.
Nadal is still somewhere near his peak.
Federer is not at his peak, but still near prime (still winning majors or in top 4).
Djokovic is near peak.

The rest are retired and many played well past their peak and even their prime so their percentages are lower.
Some of the players played more in conditions/tournaments that suited them more skewing the percentages.

There are probably even more nuances... :)
Stats are stats, but as always, one may draw different conclusions from them, depending on one's point of view.

Respectfully,
masterclass

Yes, I am well aware of the nuances to take into account.. I have been interested in stats for quite a while, so understand how to analyze them.

Hmm, no worries, I wasn't directing my post to you or someone like Duong, or Slasher, but to all who may be reading and interested. :)

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Re: 2013 ATP Masters & WTA Premier 5 Rome (13-19 May)
« Reply #169 on: May 18, 2013, 06:03:17 PM »
I honestly was shocked at how well Paire was playing. He actually finished +7 W to UFE and Fed finished -7, but look who won. Tennis is a strange game.
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Re: 2013 ATP Masters & WTA Premier 5 Rome (13-19 May)
« Reply #170 on: May 18, 2013, 06:07:05 PM »
I honestly was shocked at how well Paire was playing. He actually finished +7 W to UFE and Fed finished -7, but look who won. Tennis is a strange game.
I like him but it wasn't good enough against Olderer. I just hope that Fed will be playing freely tomorrow. He also needs to be very aggressive.

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Re: 2013 ATP Masters & WTA Premier 5 Rome (13-19 May)
« Reply #171 on: May 18, 2013, 08:20:00 PM »
Of course, one has to look at these stats with a keen eye.

Borg retired early, still somewhere near his peak.
Nadal is still somewhere near his peak.
Federer is not at his peak, but still near prime (still winning majors or in top 4).
Djokovic is near peak.

The rest are retired and many played well past their peak and even their prime so their percentages are lower.
Some of the players played more in conditions/tournaments that suited them more skewing the percentages.

There are probably even more nuances... :)
Stats are stats, but as always, one may draw different conclusions from them, depending on one's point of view.

Respectfully,
masterclass



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Re: 2013 ATP Masters & WTA Premier 5 Rome (13-19 May)
« Reply #172 on: May 18, 2013, 08:22:55 PM »
Parie is doing good at the moment.



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Re: 2013 ATP Masters & WTA Premier 5 Rome (13-19 May)
« Reply #173 on: May 18, 2013, 10:04:40 PM »
Parie is doing good at the moment.



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Re: 2013 ATP Masters & WTA Premier 5 Rome (13-19 May)
« Reply #175 on: May 19, 2013, 09:41:11 AM »
It looks like I can go to bed early. What a disappoint set for Federer. Shame!

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Re: 2013 ATP Masters & WTA Premier 5 Rome (13-19 May)
« Reply #176 on: May 19, 2013, 09:45:59 AM »
Federer is playing like he wants to lose this. I think this is his worst this year.

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Re: 2013 ATP Masters & WTA Premier 5 Rome (13-19 May)
« Reply #177 on: May 19, 2013, 09:55:53 AM »
Well, single hand backhand cannot handle Nadal's top spin. Only double hand backhand can handle it, like Nalbanidan, Djokovic, Gulbis, Davydenko...etc.

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Re: 2013 ATP Masters & WTA Premier 5 Rome (13-19 May)
« Reply #178 on: May 19, 2013, 09:59:14 AM »
This is a joke match. I just promised to myself never to watch Fed/Rafa matches ever again. nothing really to watch. same old sh!t. .. so predictable  :\

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Re: 2013 ATP Masters & WTA Premier 5 Rome (13-19 May)
« Reply #179 on: May 19, 2013, 10:01:30 AM »
This is a joke match. I just promised to myself never to watch Fed/Rafa matches ever again. nothing really to watch. same old sh!t. .. so predictable  :\

go to backhand backhand backhand and then forehand....same tactic every match.  :rofl_2: