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Re: Wimbledon 2013 Sidewalk Cafe Chats
« Reply #40 on: June 08, 2013, 02:18:32 PM »
people seem so quick to write off roger after his last match at RG.
 
 
he lost there last year too and then went on to snatch his 7th Wimbledon crown.
 
 
only now I expect a far greater motivation from him. so write roger off at your own peril on that Wimbledon grass.
 
 
I think he will do quite well there.

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Re: Wimbledon 2013 Sidewalk Cafe Chats
« Reply #41 on: June 08, 2013, 05:44:51 PM »
I'm not writing off Fed at all but I do question his current form. The way I see it
1. Murray/Nadal (can't decide but I think they are major favorites)
2. Fed
3. Nole (I doubt his hunger and his form, too inconsistent lately)
4. Berdych, Tsonga/DP
If Murray and Nadal meet I give the edge to Nadal
If Murray meets Nole or Fed I give a slight edge to Murray
If Fed meets Nole, slight edge goes to Fed, but I think it'll be very close this year
If Nole and Rafa meet, it's 50/50
Berdych is able to upset any of the big 4 on a good day. However, I think he might take one of them out and lose to the next one. Same with Tsonga and DP. I just can't see them winning the title. 

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Re: Wimbledon 2013 Sidewalk Cafe Chats
« Reply #42 on: June 08, 2013, 09:00:09 PM »
I'm not writing off Fed at all but I do question his current form. The way I see it
1. Murray/Nadal (can't decide but I think they are major favorites)
2. Fed
3. Nole (I doubt his hunger and his form, too inconsistent lately)
4. Berdych, Tsonga/DP
If Murray and Nadal meet I give the edge to Nadal
If Murray meets Nole or Fed I give a slight edge to Murray
If Fed meets Nole, slight edge goes to Fed, but I think it'll be very close this year
If Nole and Rafa meet, it's 50/50
Berdych is able to upset any of the big 4 on a good day. However, I think he might take one of them out and lose to the next one. Same with Tsonga and DP. I just can't see them winning the title.

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Re: Wimbledon 2013 Sidewalk Cafe Chats
« Reply #43 on: June 08, 2013, 09:20:35 PM »
I am expecting tommy to do well at Wimbledon this year.
 
 
now lets hope for the best possible draw for tommy. they all need a good draw. it helps as you progress in the tournament.

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Re: Wimbledon 2013 Sidewalk Cafe Chats
« Reply #44 on: June 09, 2013, 11:22:46 AM »
I'd love a Tsonga-Berdych final.

Both guys have an offensive game well suitable to grass. And I'd love both guys to win a slam, they've been just behind the Big Four for years. And boths have showed improved consistency this year. If Tsonga can keep his recent form and avoid matches like RG SF, he can beat anybody on grass, except for maybe JesusFed. And we haven't seen JesusFed recently.

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Re: Wimbledon 2013 Sidewalk Cafe Chats
« Reply #45 on: June 09, 2013, 11:24:53 AM »
OKay, getting ready for the one slam that they jimmy the seeds around because there's no legit season leading up to it.

:thumb-down:

At least the winner isn't a foregone conclusion  :PHEW:)

Actually, this should be one of the most unpredictable finals in years!!

OK, I just talked myself into really caring  :)
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Re: Wimbledon 2013 Sidewalk Cafe Chats
« Reply #46 on: June 09, 2013, 12:25:52 PM »
Wimby seems a bit unpredictable.

Federer hasn't been too impressive this year, except for Rome excluding the final.

Murray was bad on clay but so was he also last year and had an incredible grass season.

Djokovic is vulnerable on grass, yet still my favourite. He was great last year against everybody else but great grasscourters Fed and Muzz. And those are a bit a question marks.

Nadal is a big question mark. Laste year after a FO title he lost in R64, before that he had five consecutive finals when playing, winning two of them.

But as I'm waiting for Wimbledon so much, it'll probably end up being a predictable clash of the Big Four in semis and final.

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Re: Wimbledon 2013 Sidewalk Cafe Chats
« Reply #47 on: June 09, 2013, 07:33:46 PM »
Tsonga could surprise us all on grass.
 
 
 
I still think he is likely to capture his very first slam at the u.s. open.
 
it is like murray. I always had this feeling that he was going to strike it rich at flushing meadows one day and he did.

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Re: Wimbledon 2013 Sidewalk Cafe Chats
« Reply #48 on: June 10, 2013, 06:45:24 AM »
I'm not writing off Fed at all but I do question his current form. The way I see it
1. Murray/Nadal (can't decide but I think they are major favorites)
2. Fed
3. Nole (I doubt his hunger and his form, too inconsistent lately)
4. Berdych, Tsonga/DP
If Murray and Nadal meet I give the edge to Nadal
If Murray meets Nole or Fed I give a slight edge to Murray
If Fed meets Nole, slight edge goes to Fed, but I think it'll be very close this year
If Nole and Rafa meet, it's 50/50
Berdych is able to upset any of the big 4 on a good day. However, I think he might take one of them out and lose to the next one. Same with Tsonga and DP. I just can't see them winning the title.

Alex the above sounds about right to me,only one other thing here is,if the roof is closed or open that could favor some players.Murray plays with a closed roof then his chances go down on winning.

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Re: Wimbledon 2013 Sidewalk Cafe Chats
« Reply #49 on: June 10, 2013, 06:50:28 AM »
good to see you general sid.
 
 
 
I think murray---for his best chances--- needs nole in his 1/2. and then murray just has to serve very big and play lights out tennis in the semis.
 
 
 
 
what is your own take on this?

Hi Hurc,as i've just said to Alex playing with a open roof will help Murray.If the roof is shut the courts become to slow & Nadal would be my pick.

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Re: Wimbledon 2013 Sidewalk Cafe Chats
« Reply #50 on: June 10, 2013, 09:02:37 AM »
morning general sid. I am very happy to see murray get right back into the swing of things.
 
I wish him continued success at Queens and at Wimbledon.

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Re: Wimbledon 2013 Sidewalk Cafe Chats
« Reply #51 on: June 10, 2013, 11:27:18 AM »
OKay, getting ready for the one slam that they jimmy the seeds around because there's no legit season leading up to it.

:thumb-down:

At least the winner isn't a foregone conclusion  :PHEW:)

Actually, this should be one of the most unpredictable finals in years!!

OK, I just talked myself into really caring  :)

What you talking about? It ain't unpredictable at all. Nadal's gonna win the whole thing without dropping a set  :))

Rafa is the FIRST to qualify for WTF this year! :D

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Re: Wimbledon 2013 Sidewalk Cafe Chats
« Reply #52 on: June 10, 2013, 11:49:12 AM »
Through 2012, Roger Federer has played in 8 Wimbledon finals, more than any other player in the history of the game, winning 7 of them.

Here are some of his key stats in those finals: (Final Wins, Final Losses, QF Losses)

Year - Opponent..... Aces  1st%  DF  WN  UE  RPW%  BPC% BPS% NA%
2003 - Philippoussis. 21... 57%.. 2... 50... 9.... 33%.. 40%... N/A... 69%
2004 - Roddick........ 12... 62%... 3... 55. 28.... 39%.. 50%... 71%.. 63%
2005 - Roddick........ 11... 62%... 0... 49. 12.... 41%.. 44%... 50%.. 68%
2006 - Nadal............ 13... 69%... 1... 43. 32.... 39%.. 60%... 33%.. 64%
2007 - Nadal............ 24... 71%... 3... 65. 34.... 35%.. 38%... 63%.. 59%
2008 - Nadal............ 25... 66%... 2... 89. 52.... 33%.. 08%... 69%.. 56%
2009 - Roddick........ 50... 64%... 4. 107. 38.... 28%.. 14%... 60%.. 64%
2012 - Murray.......... 12... 69%... 3.. 62. 38.... 40%.. 33%... 71%.. 78%

QF losses
2010 - Berdych........ 14... 68%... 1... 44. 18.... 34%.. 13%... 33%.. 66%
2011 - Tsonga......... 17... 75%... 1... 57. 11...  20%. 100%..  66%.. 62%


Please note that I highlighted in red significant poor deviations.
In some cases those deviations did not cost him the match but in a few they did, usually when there was more than one poor deviation.

Notably, the Tsonga QF match loss, only had 1 problem stat for Federer - the 20% Return Percentage Won stat, which is reflective of how well Tsonga served, especially in the last 3 sets.  The 100% Break Points Converted stat is a bit misleading as Federer had only had 1 break point, which he converted, while Tsonga converted 3.  Otherwise, Federer outperformed Tsonga in almost every stat including total service points won and return points won.  It was a very high quality match. Tsonga just played better on a couple of key points in the last 3 sets to break Federer.

In the Berdych QF loss, Federer had both a relatively poor Break Points Converted stat and Break Points Saved stat which reflects Berdych's outstanding percentage of 1st serves won - 81%, which put more pressure on Federer's service.

In the 2008 final 5 set cliffhanger loss to Nadal, Federer had a relatively high amount of errors along with a high winner count, but the Break Points Converted stat really did him in, converting only 1 of 13 break points.  One has to give credit Nadal for his mental strength in saving a majority of those. By my count, Federer lost only 3 of those break points in the sets he did not win due to unforced errors - 1 in the first set, 2 in the second.

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How will he play in this year's Wimbledon?  Who knows for sure? So far this year, he has no titles. Maybe he lacks a bit of confidence that comes with winning, as compared to last year for example.  This year, his service games won percentage is a little lower than normal - 87%, as well as his break points saved. His return stats are normal.  Perhaps his service stats suffered due to his back issues earlier.  His winners/unforced ratio has been suspect at times, I believe in an attempt to play more aggressively, especially on the slower courts.

To do well at Wimbledon, he must protect his serve better than he has this season.  His return has been par this year relative to his career stats.
His aggression normally pays off better at Wimbledon than anywhere else, except for a faster court like Cincinnati, so I expect to see his winner/unforced error ratio to be decent.  He also must be able to fence in his lulls or loss of focus in play during a match, as he was able to do for much of the time between Oct 2011 - August 2012.

Given his schedule, and the time off he took, he seems to be trying to peak for Wimbledon.  He was mostly out of form in Madrid, he was in better form in Rome, and was in good form at Roland Garros until he met Tsonga. One must put things in perspective. In my opinion, his overall form this year at Roland Garros looked much better than last year, though he lost a round earlier.  With last year's very suspect form at Roland Garros, most people were counting him out at Wimbledon and predicting Nadal, Djokovic, or Murray to win Wimbledon.  And yet, Federer made the final in Halle, won Wimbledon and got back to #1 to the astonishment of many who continued to count him out and predict his demise.

 So he hasn't overplayed this year.  He is in the doubles draw in Halle with Haas, and it appears he is trying to get as much grass play in as he can prior to Wimbledon. 

Can Roger Federer defend his 2012 title and win an all time record 8th Wimbledon title this year?

We shall just have to wait and see how events unfold. ;)   :cool:

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Re: Wimbledon 2013 Sidewalk Cafe Chats
« Reply #53 on: June 10, 2013, 12:36:28 PM »
roger will be highly motivated.
 
 
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Re: Wimbledon 2013 Sidewalk Cafe Chats
« Reply #54 on: June 10, 2013, 12:38:14 PM »
1 and done in dubs.



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Re: Wimbledon 2013 Sidewalk Cafe Chats
« Reply #55 on: June 10, 2013, 12:41:17 PM »
I see he and Haas lost in doubles in the first round at Halle...  hmmm   ..-)

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Re: Wimbledon 2013 Sidewalk Cafe Chats
« Reply #56 on: June 10, 2013, 02:00:41 PM »
 i am not happy with that result.

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Re: Wimbledon 2013 Sidewalk Cafe Chats
« Reply #57 on: June 15, 2013, 05:27:53 PM »
The Draw @ Wimby will be a massive thing this year with Nadal floating @ no5.Roger & Nadal could meet @ the QF stage,fingers crossed this happens.I know Alex will hope for this as i will,that would bring down both players chances if Nole & Murray are waiting in the SF's.Folks whats your views on this.

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Re: Wimbledon 2013 Sidewalk Cafe Chats
« Reply #58 on: June 15, 2013, 05:50:44 PM »
I hope Rafa won't draw Ferrer in QF. Otherwise I'm afraid it will be Big Four in the semis, once again.

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Re: Wimbledon 2013 Sidewalk Cafe Chats
« Reply #59 on: June 15, 2013, 07:48:23 PM »
I can hardly wait to see the draw general august.
 
 
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