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2008 Wimbledon Final vs. 2013 French Open Semifinal
« on: June 07, 2013, 11:10:20 AM »
So, the 2008 Wimbledon Final between Nadal and Roger is considered one of the greatest matches of all time. Some even say it IS the greatest.

What about this match just played between Nadal and Nole? Is it better? Is it in the top 5? Is it the best? Obviously, the Wimbledon match has the advantage of being a final. And while the Wimbledon final was seen as a bit of a 'changing of the guard', this match could be seen as a reclaiming of the throne, Nadal off an injury staying strong against his now strongest rival in his best slam.

Would you consider the Wimbledon Final the best? If not, is this the best match of all time, or do you consider a different match the best? If so, which of these two in particular would you consider better? Would they both be in the Top 5? What does everyone think?

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Re: 2008 Wimbledon Final vs. 2013 French Open Semifinal
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2013, 11:32:59 AM »
I want to know how can someone find the way compare these wonderful matches?
Someone say Australian Open 2012 final is the best or Australian Open 2005 semi-final is the best. Everybody has their own best.  That is my answer.
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Re: 2008 Wimbledon Final vs. 2013 French Open Semifinal
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2013, 11:36:51 AM »
Australian 2012 was pretty awesome. Haven't seen the '05 semi that you are referring to. That's just a little bit before I started watching tennis.

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Re: 2008 Wimbledon Final vs. 2013 French Open Semifinal
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2013, 06:33:55 PM »
it's hard to compare these matches. they are all great. If I have to pick it would be Fed/Rafa W2008 and Nole/Rafa AO 2012, so much drama.

as for semis at RG this year, I just want to forget as if it never happened   :zipped:

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Re: 2008 Wimbledon Final vs. 2013 French Open Semifinal
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2013, 07:11:26 PM »
haha understandable. I'm biased the same way against AO 2012. Rafa missing that easy winner at the net.......a part of me died when that happened.

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Re: 2008 Wimbledon Final vs. 2013 French Open Semifinal
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2013, 10:58:52 PM »
Australian 2012 was pretty awesome. Haven't seen the '05 semi that you are referring to. That's just a little bit before I started watching tennis.

Go to watch it, you will see how Prime Safin beated Prime Federer. All attacking tennis!

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Re: 2008 Wimbledon Final vs. 2013 French Open Semifinal
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2013, 12:16:15 AM »
#1 for me remains 2005 AO Semifinal between Safin and Fed. That was back and forth all night and finished in a respectable 4 hours considering the final set was 16 games.

Problems I have with 2008 Wimbledon Final
1. Rafa almost choked it away after getting up 2-0 sets. The air goes out of the balloon for a while when a player is up 2-0 sets. It's simply not as compelling as 2 guys alternating sets for an entire match. There's a natural letdown for the spectator for a while.

2. 8 f**king hours?! Are you f**king kidding me?!! Roger is the ultimate post-rain delay player. Perhaps that could have been a straight set win for Rafa, but 2, +1 hour rain delays. Oh yeah, that's suspense...NOT!



3. Rafa served, maybe once all match to Roger's FH. Everyone knew where Rafa was going to serve, and Roger couldn't do anything about it. It was the right tactic, but, in terms of suspense...WTF? We all knew he was going to serve to Roger's BH and we all knew Roger was going to butcher the return. Snore...


Anyway, there were so many other great matches. I really liked Wawrinka-Djokovic at this year's AO. Stan stood on the gas peddle for the entire match. I just like aggressive play. By far and away the best set contested this RG was the (IIRC )3rd set between Stan and Richard. All offense, all-court battle, all winners/no errors, and a real tit-for-tat back-and-forth battle. Every set everywhere should be contested like that. That's popcorn tennis!!! And it was contested on clay no less!

Today:
1. Nole was the aggressor, Rafa got some cheap points just popping the ball up in the air... OK, that's how I win points on the public park courts. Pop the ball in the air and hope my opponent runs into the net or butchers the overhead.

2. The court is too big. I hate Rafa's court position when he returns serve. The whole point takes too long to begin to take shape when you start it from that far back. Serena beat Errani in 47'. Today featured the lamest 6-1 set ever not contested at a major in 37'. How the Eff can that happen? 37' of bouncing the ball and toweling off. 6-1 disqualifies this match.

3. Really lame ending. Nole missed 3 makeable FH by a foot each time. As I said, the brain took a massive dump. Someone else called it anticlimactic. And another called it an unfortunate ending.


I guess the question is, where do Rafa fans rate this match among the best. I don't think anyone else is terribly interested in this one.
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Re: 2008 Wimbledon Final vs. 2013 French Open Semifinal
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2013, 03:04:02 AM »
This was obviously a great match. I feel unable to rank it properly, though. I myself has always been more partial to a different playing style, so a Safin - Federer AO 2005 kind of match will always be more entertaining for me. That in itself say little about quality. So I'll just say this was a really great match and leave it at that.

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Re: 2008 Wimbledon Final vs. 2013 French Open Semifinal
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2013, 10:45:24 AM »
i'd put AO 2005 sf & AO 2012 Finals ahead of 2008 Wimby finals.. safin vs fed was very enjoyable.
other good 5 setters include wawrinka-Nole AO 2013, Nole-Murray AO 2012, Fed-Delpo RG 2009 sf,

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Re: 2008 Wimbledon Final vs. 2013 French Open Semifinal
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2013, 11:03:06 AM »
i'd put AO 2005 sf & AO 2012 Finals ahead of 2008 Wimby finals.. safin vs fed was very enjoyable.
other good 5 setters include wawrinka-Nole AO 2013, Nole-Murray AO 2012, Fed-Delpo RG 2009 sf,



2012 AO finals.
 
1980 Wimbledon final.
 
 
 
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Re: 2008 Wimbledon Final vs. 2013 French Open Semifinal
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2013, 02:01:37 AM »
1980 finals was truly a classic ! johnny mac & borg had given us an epic !! many of my friends who had recently started watching tennis ( 2008 onwards ) found serve-volley game to be boring  :confused1: :confused1: :mad1: :mad1:.. they still don't realise the intensity of that match !!
If we're talking classics, then 2002 wimby finals, 2001 fed-sampras, & 2005 AO QF between hewitt & nalbandian were very enjoyable too !!

Hewitt & nalbandian 2005 was excellent as well as their encounter in AO 2011 ( R2 i think )..
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Re: 2008 Wimbledon Final vs. 2013 French Open Semifinal
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2013, 05:31:44 AM »
I personally found this semi to be more like Wimbledon 07 - the challenger takes the king to 5 sets, but loses ultimately. That match was pretty uneven too.

The parallels are quite striking - if you consider RG final 2012 = Wimby final 2006, then RG semi 2013 = Wimby final 07, hopefully we'll get a classic upset at RG next year.  :whistle:

The best 5 setter for me on clay atleast is Rome final 06 - and I don't think that can ever be bested.
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Re: 2008 Wimbledon Final vs. 2013 French Open Semifinal
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2013, 08:07:26 AM »
bab,


If Rafa hit 61 winners against 44 UFE while Novak managed 54 winners against 75 UFE......how can you summarized the match as "Novak was the aggressor" despite Nadal being more successful at getting the ball pass him?. In the 5 set alone he hit double the winners that Novak did.


Most of Novak winners came after his first serve managed a short ball reply by Rafa.


Yes you are right, Nadal stands meters behind the baseline to return but there is a reason behind the madness. Rafa managed in that match to return over 95% of Novak's serves and on clay; high percentages wins you the match. Despite Novak being a better returner, Rafa scores more cheap points.....imagine that.


The overheads? Novak has a weakness, always been the overheads......it's a good tactic to force your opponent to hit a ball that he doesn't like.


I rank this match up there but not enough tennis quality to be compare to SW19 2008, AO 2005, AO SF 2009, Rome 2006 and on.

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Re: 2008 Wimbledon Final vs. 2013 French Open Semifinal
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2013, 09:09:00 AM »
i'd put AO 2005 sf & AO 2012 Finals ahead of 2008 Wimby finals.. safin vs fed was very enjoyable.
other good 5 setters include wawrinka-Nole AO 2013, Nole-Murray AO 2012, Fed-Delpo RG 2009 sf,



2012 AO finals.
 
1980 Wimbledon final.

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Re: 2008 Wimbledon Final vs. 2013 French Open Semifinal
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2013, 09:14:38 AM »
bab,


If Rafa hit 61 winners against 44 UFE while Novak managed 54 winners against 75 UFE......how can you summarized the match as "Novak was the aggressor" despite Nadal being more successful at getting the ball pass him?. In the 5 set alone he hit double the winners that Novak did.


WHAT?!

The guy who calls the shots typically has more errors in a losing effort. No mystery there. Remember Ferreira-"Gonzo" USO QF? Gonzo hit 70 UEs on fast HC but was clearly the aggressor. Who doesn't know this. Besides, even playing more aggressive, it's hard to hit past Rafa when he lengthens the court by 16 feet.

But I will concede the serve to you. I even mentioned during the match that Nole was *finally* going for his serve in the 4th or 5th set. Prior to that, he was resigned to start the point with Rafa camped out near the fence.
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Re: 2008 Wimbledon Final vs. 2013 French Open Semifinal
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2013, 09:20:00 AM »
bab,


If Rafa hit 61 winners against 44 UFE while Novak managed 54 winners against 75 UFE......how can you summarized the match as "Novak was the aggressor" despite Nadal being more successful at getting the ball pass him?. In the 5 set alone he hit double the winners that Novak did.


WHAT?!

The guy who calls the shots typically has more errors in a losing effort. No mystery there. Remember Ferreira-"Gonzo" USO QF? Gonzo hit 70 UEs on fast HC but was clearly the aggressor. Who doesn't know this. Besides, even playing more aggressive, it's hard to hit past Rafa when he lengthens the court by 16 feet.

Yes most errors and most winners......that wasn't the case in this match.

I'm not saying Novak wasn't dictating but large parts of the match; Rafa was the one dictating as well. I mean, he hit 61 winners past a wall as well.

not black and white.......and in the most important set, Rafa went for his shots and took control of his own destiny.

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Re: 2008 Wimbledon Final vs. 2013 French Open Semifinal
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2013, 09:21:23 AM »
Hey, that was a quick reply.

I EDITED and conceded Nole's serve to you.  :)
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Re: 2008 Wimbledon Final vs. 2013 French Open Semifinal
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2013, 09:25:43 AM »
Hey, that was a quick reply.

I EDITED and conceded Nole's serve to you.  :)

cool  :rofl_2:

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Re: 2008 Wimbledon Final vs. 2013 French Open Semifinal
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2013, 09:26:15 AM »
bab,


If Rafa hit 61 winners against 44 UFE while Novak managed 54 winners against 75 UFE......how can you summarized the match as "Novak was the aggressor" despite Nadal being more successful at getting the ball pass him?. In the 5 set alone he hit double the winners that Novak did.


WHAT?!

The guy who calls the shots typically has more errors in a losing effort. No mystery there. Remember Ferreira-"Gonzo" USO QF? Gonzo hit 70 UEs on fast HC but was clearly the aggressor. Who doesn't know this. Besides, even playing more aggressive, it's hard to hit past Rafa when he lengthens the court by 16 feet.

Yes most errors and most winners......that wasn't the case in this match.

I'm not saying Novak wasn't dictating but large parts of the match; Rafa was the one dictating as well. I mean, he hit 61 winners past a wall as well.

not black and white.......and in the most important set, Rafa went for his shots and took control of his own destiny.

Remember, I'm totally nit-picking because I'm differentiating great matches. I *loved* this match when they competed, but called it bizarrulous because it wasn't high level at all for much of the match. I'm just being harsh on this match simply to explain why I place it down the list.

No big whoop. Read my in-match posts when I wasn't being critical. I was :toot: :applause: :trampoline:

I just didn't expect to see this thread after  :)
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Re: 2008 Wimbledon Final vs. 2013 French Open Semifinal
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2013, 09:36:28 AM »

Remember, I'm totally nit-picking because I'm differentiating great matches. I *loved* this match when they competed, but called it bizarrulous because it wasn't high level at all for much of the match. I'm just being harsh on this match simply to explain why I place it down the list.

No big whoop. Read my in-match posts when I wasn't being critical. I was :toot: :applause: :trampoline:

I just didn't expect to see this thread after  :)


Yeah, I mentioned 4 matches in the last few years that top this one. The drop in level by Novak in the third set it's was hurt the overall quality of this match.

Also, the way in which Novak gave up in his last service game after the passing shot by Rafa made it anti-climatic.

Great match, great dram, amazing 5 set but the overall tennis quality was below par many great matches in the past.....including their own classics.