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Re: Murray and Djokovic Killed Tennis
« Reply #140 on: August 19, 2013, 04:01:56 PM »
Gymnast and Annie are one-dimensional hacks compared to Rafaelito and Roger  :bye1:

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ouch, Rafito put on weight so much  :)). darn, all those hormons, Spanish Doctor .... not surprised  :whistle:

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Re: Murray and Djokovic Killed Tennis
« Reply #141 on: August 20, 2013, 09:54:15 AM »
"You can't hit winners past Nadal because his defense is too good."

STFU

Isner did just that for 2 hours. It's the difference between going for your shots consistently because you are instictively offensive or sitting back and working your way into a point hoping your opponent blinks first.



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What current ATPer has both the ability and the balls to do both for an entire match?

I can't think of one tbh, and that's the issue unfortunately. Those who have the ability, it's almost impossible to do it the whole match on such a level. And there are more than enough of ATPers who simply don't have the balls.

Also, Isner is a no-shower when his serve is not on.
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Re: Murray and Djokovic Killed Tennis
« Reply #142 on: August 20, 2013, 01:00:57 PM »
John tends to show up for big matches in the States, though.

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Re: Murray and Djokovic Killed Tennis
« Reply #143 on: August 21, 2013, 08:34:18 PM »
The posts here are  :rofl_2: .
 
 

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Re: Murray and Djokovic Killed Tennis
« Reply #144 on: August 29, 2013, 03:30:49 PM »
I don't care what the 5 or 6 of you say about 5 hour, 8-10 minute per game tennis.

Jim Courier, on TC, just said the US Open made a concerted effort to make conditions faster to create shorter points and shorter rallies.

Interesting to see how many seed players weren't able to adapt to the faster conditions and failed to advance to the 2nd round.

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Re: Murray and Djokovic Killed Tennis
« Reply #145 on: August 29, 2013, 04:26:44 PM »
Babbs, my impression is that courts should be even faster. I has something to do with the balls too. Dubai got it right I think.

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Re: Murray and Djokovic Killed Tennis
« Reply #146 on: August 29, 2013, 05:20:37 PM »
Balls definitely play a part. Jim wasn't specific, he just said "fast conditions."
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Re: Murray and Djokovic Killed Tennis
« Reply #147 on: August 30, 2013, 07:35:59 PM »
Babbs, my impression is that courts should be even faster. I has something to do with the balls too. Dubai got it right I think.

Hate to be repetitive and whiny everytime there's surface homogenization discussion but yes courts need to be faster.

Balls definitely play a part. Jim wasn't specific, he just said "fast conditions."
Yes, there's a reason why USO uses lighter balls. So we want more of those  :)~


Also the racquet choice is good indication of what tennis today is based on.

Players more often use larger heads and lighter racquets with less string pattern to give them extra spin and more power without much effort. A dream for any defensive/grinding player.

Players with smaller heads and heavier racquets are always offensive minded with ultra power from their body not the racquet.
In that case racquet is stable and much more precise considering the quality shotmaking by the player.
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Re: Murray and Djokovic Killed Tennis
« Reply #148 on: August 30, 2013, 11:06:56 PM »
Speaking of court/ball speed, Nadal would have been more dominant on clay if he played in the 90s slow clay/balls. And 2011 was dubbed the fastest Roland Garros ever. No surprise it was the year Isner took 2 sets from Nadal.
“It is not too far way,” Toni Nadal told The Australian after Nadal collected the 13th major of his career by mowing down Novak Djokovic in an electrifying final of the US Open. “It is getting very, very close for Rafa to be level with Roger or more.”

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Re: Murray and Djokovic Killed Tennis
« Reply #149 on: August 30, 2013, 11:31:07 PM »
Speaking of court/ball speed, Nadal would have been more dominant on clay if he played in the 90s slow clay/balls. And 2011 was dubbed the fastest Roland Garros ever. No surprise it was the year Isner took 2 sets from Nadal.

I have a feeling "ever" = A.N. because no one was alive to remember the B.N. era.

1996 was extraordinarily hot for both weeks, the courts were baked and hard. Sampras benefited from these conditions the most on his only trip to the semis.
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Re: Murray and Djokovic Killed Tennis
« Reply #150 on: August 30, 2013, 11:33:44 PM »
Speaking of court/ball speed, Nadal would have been more dominant on clay if he played in the 90s slow clay/balls. And 2011 was dubbed the fastest Roland Garros ever. No surprise it was the year Isner took 2 sets from Nadal.

I have a feeling "ever" = A.N. because no one was alive to remember the B.N. era.

1996 was extraordinarily hot for both weeks, the courts were baked and hard. Sampras benefited from these conditions the most on his only trip to the semis.
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Re: Murray and Djokovic Killed Tennis
« Reply #151 on: August 31, 2013, 02:16:20 AM »
Speaking of court/ball speed, Nadal would have been more dominant on clay if he played in the 90s slow clay/balls. And 2011 was dubbed the fastest Roland Garros ever. No surprise it was the year Isner took 2 sets from Nadal.

I have a feeling "ever" = A.N. because no one was alive to remember the B.N. era.

1996 was extraordinarily hot for both weeks, the courts were baked and hard. Sampras benefited from these conditions the most on his only trip to the semis.

Yeah true, 1996 was probably faster than 2011. I remember being particularly disappointed when Sampras lost that year. Any year with unusually high temperatures can create fast clay. The reference in 2011 was more to the balls being used.
“It is not too far way,” Toni Nadal told The Australian after Nadal collected the 13th major of his career by mowing down Novak Djokovic in an electrifying final of the US Open. “It is getting very, very close for Rafa to be level with Roger or more.”

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Re: Murray and Djokovic Killed Tennis
« Reply #152 on: August 31, 2013, 02:24:35 AM »
Speaking of court/ball speed, Nadal would have been more dominant on clay if he played in the 90s slow clay/balls. And 2011 was dubbed the fastest Roland Garros ever. No surprise it was the year Isner took 2 sets from Nadal.

I have a feeling "ever" = A.N. because no one was alive to remember the B.N. era.

1996 was extraordinarily hot for both weeks, the courts were baked and hard. Sampras benefited from these conditions the most on his only trip to the semis.

Yeah true, 1996 was probably faster than 2011. I remember being particularly disappointed when Sampras lost that year. Any year with unusually high temperatures can create fast clay. The reference in 2011 was more to the balls being used.

The introduction of the new Babolat ping pong balls. Yes, I recall the kerfuffle that caused.
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Re: Murray and Djokovic Killed Tennis
« Reply #153 on: August 31, 2013, 02:27:57 AM »
Speaking of court/ball speed, Nadal would have been more dominant on clay if he played in the 90s slow clay/balls. And 2011 was dubbed the fastest Roland Garros ever. No surprise it was the year Isner took 2 sets from Nadal.

I have a feeling "ever" = A.N. because no one was alive to remember the B.N. era.

1996 was extraordinarily hot for both weeks, the courts were baked and hard. Sampras benefited from these conditions the most on his only trip to the semis.

Yeah true, 1996 was probably faster than 2011. I remember being particularly disappointed when Sampras lost that year. Any year with unusually high temperatures can create fast clay. The reference in 2011 was more to the balls being used.

The introduction of the new Babolat ping pong balls. Yes, I recall the kerfuffle that caused.

Things have definitely not worked in Nadal's favor at Roland Garros with those balls and now the roof is coming. Hope it doesn't cost him the title in any of the next 5 years. Although his playing style is becoming good for ruling on fast surfaces, so it may be ok.
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“It is not too far way,” Toni Nadal told The Australian after Nadal collected the 13th major of his career by mowing down Novak Djokovic in an electrifying final of the US Open. “It is getting very, very close for Rafa to be level with Roger or more.”

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Re: Murray and Djokovic Killed Tennis
« Reply #154 on: August 31, 2013, 02:33:42 AM »
Speaking of court/ball speed, Nadal would have been more dominant on clay if he played in the 90s slow clay/balls. And 2011 was dubbed the fastest Roland Garros ever. No surprise it was the year Isner took 2 sets from Nadal.

I have a feeling "ever" = A.N. because no one was alive to remember the B.N. era.

1996 was extraordinarily hot for both weeks, the courts were baked and hard. Sampras benefited from these conditions the most on his only trip to the semis.

Yeah true, 1996 was probably faster than 2011. I remember being particularly disappointed when Sampras lost that year. Any year with unusually high temperatures can create fast clay. The reference in 2011 was more to the balls being used.

The introduction of the new Babolat ping pong balls. Yes, I recall the kerfuffle that caused.

Things have definitely not worked in Nadal's favor at Roland Garros with those balls and now the roof is coming. Hope it doesn't cost him the title in any of the next 5 years. Although his playing style is becoming good for ruling on fast surfaces, so it may be ok.

I don't see the balls being an issue for Rafa. The roof got put off a couple of years, not that I think a roof would be an issue, either.
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Re: Murray and Djokovic Killed Tennis
« Reply #155 on: August 31, 2013, 10:26:00 AM »
I think the roof at RG will only be a good thing for Rafa, if he's still playing on top then.

Wet clay hurts Rafa, even though it's slower it's also lower bouncing, making top-spin less effective.

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Re: Murray and Djokovic Killed Tennis
« Reply #156 on: August 31, 2013, 11:22:27 AM »
I think the roof at RG will only be a good thing for Rafa, if he's still playing on top then.

Wet clay hurts Rafa, even though it's slower it's also lower bouncing, making top-spin less effective.

They say that, but Nadal beat Federer on the rain at 2011 Roland Garros, and Nadal beat Djokovic in the rain at 2012 Roland Garros - when play resumed on the 2nd day of the 2012 RG final with Djokovic leading 2-0 in the 4th set, it rained again and Nadal broke Djokovic twice to win 7-5 in the 4th set. People talk about the first day of that 2012 final and like to say Djokovic won the 3rd set because of the rain. They leave out the fact that it also rained on the 2nd day of that match which Nadal dominated.

So those are 2 Roland Garros finals that Nadal has won in the rain/wet clay. I'd rather Nadal play in those conditions than with a roof. Federer loves the serene indoor conditions to execute his fragile strokes with. And Djokovic is no great wind player either, compared to Nadal. And imagine in Round One of 2011 RG if Isner got the benefit of a roof. Even without a roof, that match went to 5 sets. Put a roof and Isner may have won that match.
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