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In term of age, Jerzy is just one and half months older than Raonic. Jerzy Janowicz and Milos Raonic both playsimilar type of game. Both players have big serve and big groundstroke, except Jerzy has drop shot that Raonic doesn't have and has better net play. However, Raonic has much better consistency on serving and court game.  There is no surprised. Raonic has spend more time on ATP tour than Jerzy. Raonic has alreay played 2 full-year and Jerzy tries to get his 1st year. Raonic has played 165 matches and Jerzy is 71 matches (include Montreal this year). Despite lack of experience and playing less matches, Jerzy has surprised people at Paris and Wimbledon. Raonic is not far behind, he gain his 1st master final at Montreal this year. Both players have showed some resistance and toughness when they are not playing their best.

Looking at downside:
Raonic has lack of reflext and movement that hurting him so badly in many matches he lost. Despite Jerzy has much better movement and reflex, his inconsistency of serving and court game burn himself in a lot of matches. They are already 22 years old. Some people think it is too old. But considering John Isner reach his peak at age of 27, there is opening door for these two.





What is your expectation? What do you want to see from both players?
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I don't like either one...so I don't want to see them do anything! :rofl_2:

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The funniest thing I've ever seen in my life: Raonic trying to play tennis vs Nadal  :rofl_2: (Nadal leads 4-0, included 6-2 6-2 @ Montreal at the peak of Raonic's game).... although interestingly, Raonic leads Murray 2-1  :lmao:
“It is not too far way,” Toni Nadal told The Australian after Nadal collected the 13th major of his career by mowing down Novak Djokovic in an electrifying final of the US Open. “It is getting very, very close for Rafa to be level with Roger or more.”

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John Isner and Del Potro spend much more time on tour than Jerzy and Raonic. Isner has the most consistent serve among these giants. Del Potro has best baseline rally. It looks like they are recovering from their injure. Hope they can do well.

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Isner played collegiate tennis at the University of Georgia from 2004 to 2007. So he has less mileage than other high-ranked 28-year-olds, and therefore a late-bloomer.
“It is not too far way,” Toni Nadal told The Australian after Nadal collected the 13th major of his career by mowing down Novak Djokovic in an electrifying final of the US Open. “It is getting very, very close for Rafa to be level with Roger or more.”

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Traditionally it has been difficult for giants to get really high in the rankings. Safin is still the highest man to rank in the top-3 as DelPo never got past 4th.
 
I do expect the two youngsters can do quite well if they avoid injury. DelPo didn't, as we know. I hope he can get consistently injury-free but it looks doubtful.
 
Even though Isner got a late start I think he has reached his potential already.

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Interesting service stat

roughly
Isner  Ace/DF = 10/1

Roanic  Ace/DF = 4/1

Delpo  Ace/DF = 3/1

Jerzy  Ace/DF = 2/1 (154 DFs!)  :rofl_2:
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Traditionally it has been difficult for giants to get really high in the rankings. Safin is still the highest man to rank in the top-3 as DelPo never got past 4th.
 

Bingo! :good:

I'm not buying all the hysteria that the sport will be overrun by giants. 6'1" - 6'2" will always dominate the top spot in the rankings.
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Traditionally it has been difficult for giants to get really high in the rankings. Safin is still the highest man to rank in the top-3 as DelPo never got past 4th.
 

Bingo! :good:

I'm not buying all the hysteria that the sport will be overrun by giants. 6'1" - 6'2" will always dominate the top spot in the rankings.

Its been funny to read the Raonic hysteria in particular. Every time he faced Nadal, people were saying he could win  :rofl_2:
“It is not too far way,” Toni Nadal told The Australian after Nadal collected the 13th major of his career by mowing down Novak Djokovic in an electrifying final of the US Open. “It is getting very, very close for Rafa to be level with Roger or more.”

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Traditionally it has been difficult for giants to get really high in the rankings. Safin is still the highest man to rank in the top-3 as DelPo never got past 4th.
 

Bingo! :good:

I'm not buying all the hysteria that the sport will be overrun by giants. 6'1" - 6'2" will always dominate the top spot in the rankings.

Its been funny to read the Raonic hysteria in particular. Every time he faced Nadal, people were saying he could win  :rofl_2:

Wow, I forget Berdych.  :rofl_2:

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Re: Jerzy Janowicz, Milos Raonic, John Isner and Del Potro, the four giants!
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2013, 03:52:23 PM »
Traditionally it has been difficult for giants to get really high in the rankings. Safin is still the highest man to rank in the top-3 as DelPo never got past 4th.
 


Bingo! :good:

I'm not buying all the hysteria that the sport will be overrun by giants. 6'1" - 6'2" will always dominate the top spot in the rankings.


Its been funny to read the Raonic hysteria in particular. Every time he faced Nadal, people were saying he could win  :rofl_2:


Wow, I forget Berdych.  :rofl_2:


“It is not too far way,” Toni Nadal told The Australian after Nadal collected the 13th major of his career by mowing down Novak Djokovic in an electrifying final of the US Open. “It is getting very, very close for Rafa to be level with Roger or more.”

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Re: Jerzy Janowicz, Milos Raonic, John Isner and Del Potro, the four giants!
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2013, 08:33:34 PM »
Interesting service stat

roughly
Isner  Ace/DF = 10/1

Roanic  Ace/DF = 4/1

Delpo  Ace/DF = 3/1

Jerzy  Ace/DF = 2/1 (154 DFs!)  :rofl_2:


Good stats.
 
Jerzy really has to step up his serve.
Once he gets a little more patience and consistency in his ground game the serve will make a huge difference.
 
 

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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2013, 08:29:18 AM »
Out of these four giants.
 
Del Potro/Jerzy. Del Potro is more proven but I put Jerzy up there based on potential.
 
Roanic next. He has looked better lately and seems to have more motivation. He may have a little more improving to do.
 
Then Isner, I don't see him improving. His serve has about maxed out and he won't be able to move much better than he is now. He's about as good as he'll get.
 
Del Potro and Jerzy both move pretty well, it is a must in todays game.
This alone separates them from Raonic and Isner, it just can't be overlooked and those two don't have enough to make up for it in other areas.
 
Kevin Anderson is often overlooked too, he can play some good tennis but hasn't made waves often.
 
 

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Re: Jerzy Janowicz, Milos Raonic, John Isner and Del Potro, the four giants!
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2013, 08:40:18 AM »
Out of these four giants.
 
Del Potro/Jerzy. Del Potro is more proven but I put Jerzy up there based on potential.
 
Roanic next. He has looked better lately and seems to have more motivation. He may have a little more improving to do.
 
Then Isner, I don't see him improving. His serve has about maxed out and he won't be able to move much better than he is now. He's about as good as he'll get.
 
Del Potro and Jerzy both move pretty well, it is a must in todays game.
This alone separates them from Raonic and Isner, it just can't be overlooked and those two don't have enough to make up for it in other areas.
 
Kevin Anderson is often overlooked too, he can play some good tennis but hasn't made waves often.

Does Raonic even have enough talent though? I mean, you saw him against Nadal. I think whoever is going to rise to the top in the next couple of years will need to beat Nadal. And Raonic doesn't even look good enough to take a set. He makes Berdych look like more of a threat to Nadal.
“It is not too far way,” Toni Nadal told The Australian after Nadal collected the 13th major of his career by mowing down Novak Djokovic in an electrifying final of the US Open. “It is getting very, very close for Rafa to be level with Roger or more.”

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Re: Jerzy Janowicz, Milos Raonic, John Isner and Del Potro, the four giants!
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2013, 08:52:00 AM »
Out of these four giants.
 
Del Potro/Jerzy. Del Potro is more proven but I put Jerzy up there based on potential.
 
Roanic next. He has looked better lately and seems to have more motivation. He may have a little more improving to do.
 
Then Isner, I don't see him improving. His serve has about maxed out and he won't be able to move much better than he is now. He's about as good as he'll get.
 
Del Potro and Jerzy both move pretty well, it is a must in todays game.
This alone separates them from Raonic and Isner, it just can't be overlooked and those two don't have enough to make up for it in other areas.
 
Kevin Anderson is often overlooked too, he can play some good tennis but hasn't made waves often.

Does Raonic even have enough talent though?
I mean, you saw him against Nadal. I think whoever is going to rise to the top in the next couple of years will need to beat Nadal. And Raonic doesn't even look good enough to take a set. He makes Berdych look like more of a threat to Nadal.

I doubt it, Raonic has to have the serve about perfect.
Once the rally gets going his chances go down quite a bit.
 
 

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Re: Jerzy Janowicz, Milos Raonic, John Isner and Del Potro, the four giants!
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2013, 08:59:11 AM »
Out of these four giants.
 
Del Potro/Jerzy. Del Potro is more proven but I put Jerzy up there based on potential.
 
Roanic next. He has looked better lately and seems to have more motivation. He may have a little more improving to do.
 
Then Isner, I don't see him improving. His serve has about maxed out and he won't be able to move much better than he is now. He's about as good as he'll get.
 
Del Potro and Jerzy both move pretty well, it is a must in todays game.
This alone separates them from Raonic and Isner, it just can't be overlooked and those two don't have enough to make up for it in other areas.
 
Kevin Anderson is often overlooked too, he can play some good tennis but hasn't made waves often.

Does Raonic even have enough talent though?
I mean, you saw him against Nadal. I think whoever is going to rise to the top in the next couple of years will need to beat Nadal. And Raonic doesn't even look good enough to take a set. He makes Berdych look like more of a threat to Nadal.

I doubt it, Raonic has to have the serve about perfect.
Once the rally gets going his chances go down quite a bit.

I agree. Whereas Isner has the forehand and movement too. The young'ns are taking a while to develop. Janowicz is a world away, but for different reasons than Raonic. Looks like a window for Nadal/Murray/Djokovic will remain, even after they decline. And of course, on clay, a window is always open for Nadal. Federer/Djokovic are probably better on clay than any of the young'ns will be, even in 5 years from now. I wonder if Murray will prioritize clay at all, or give up on it.
“It is not too far way,” Toni Nadal told The Australian after Nadal collected the 13th major of his career by mowing down Novak Djokovic in an electrifying final of the US Open. “It is getting very, very close for Rafa to be level with Roger or more.”

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Re: Jerzy Janowicz, Milos Raonic, John Isner and Del Potro, the four giants!
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2013, 05:58:41 PM »
Potty is the best of these guys & he's won a Slam.Jerzy i think can get better,his drop shot can match anyone.Some work on Jerzy serve will make him better,also the backhand.Jerzy a player that the higher Ranked tennis players will want to miss in the draw.I'm looking forward to seeing what he does @ USO.

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Re: Jerzy Janowicz, Milos Raonic, John Isner and Del Potro, the four giants!
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2013, 06:05:57 PM »
The funniest thing I've ever seen in my life: Raonic trying to play tennis vs Nadal  :rofl_2: (Nadal leads 4-0, included 6-2 6-2 @ Montreal at the peak of Raonic's game).... although interestingly, Raonic leads Murray 2-1  :lmao:

Murray beat him in a Slam,i don't think Murray's to bothered.I think he tanks some to get ready for Slams now days.Murray seems to make his priority & peaking @ Slams.

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Re: Jerzy Janowicz, Milos Raonic, John Isner and Del Potro, the four giants!
« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2013, 08:01:48 PM »
Where's the love for Dr. Ivo??   :gleam:  Oh...you have to be in the top 100?  Picky picky :gleam:
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« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2013, 04:01:01 PM »
Potty is the best of these guys & he's won a Slam.Jerzy i think can get better,his drop shot can match anyone.Some work on Jerzy serve will make him better,also the backhand.Jerzy a player that the higher Ranked tennis players will want to miss in the draw.I'm looking forward to seeing what he does @ USO.

Love his dropshot on a serve.  :rofl_2: