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« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2013, 11:57:32 PM »
What do all of them have in common?

Well, first look at Kevin Anderson at #17. What's he been doing? Nothing. Seems he's at 17 perennially. Meanwhile, Almagro has slipped to #15 on his way to outside the top 20.

Aside from Roger, who I highlighted because he slid down to #7 (changing him to red)...
I've highlighted these guys because they've kicked some serious ass in the last 6 months to get to those spots. Much has been said of Rafa and Haas, and for good reason. But what Tommy Robredo has done to earn the 19th seed is almost as impressive as what Haas has accomplished. Tursunov? Really? #32? That guy was working his way back via challengers before August.

John Isner has been on a steady slide for a year, finally dropping outside the top 20. A red hot summer has gotten him all the way back to #13.

* for Fognini. I didn't highlight him because I don't suspect he'll do much more than collect a check at the Open. Nevertheless, amazing run to get to #16.


Guys Tursunov passed in August
36 Chardy, Jeremy (FRA)   1,130   -6   22
37 Dodig, Ivan (CRO)   1,125   -2   25
38 Dolgopolov, Alexandr (UKR)   1,080   -1   27
39 Pospisil, Vasek (CAN)   1,051   1   26
40 Nieminen, Jarkko (FIN)   1,050   -1   28
41 Davydenko, Nikolay (RUS)   1,030   -3   28
42 Granollers, Marcel (ESP)   975   4   27
43 Monfils, Gael (FRA)   950   6   24
44 Montanes, Albert (ESP)   950   -3   23
45 Rosol, Lukas (CZE)   941   -2   32
46 Klizan, Martin (SVK)   935   -1   29
47 Mayer, Florian (GER)   905   0   30
48 Berlocq, Carlos (ARG)   905   0   28
49 Llodra, Michael (FRA)   889   3   21
50 Zeballos, Horacio (ARG)   874   4   28
51 Brands, Daniel (GER)   873   4   25
52 Tomic, Bernard (AUS)   870   -10   23
53 Baghdatis, Marcos (CYP)   865   -3   24


Because I wouldn't expect anyone from T4U to notice anything other than Nadal and Federer, here, I brought it to your attention and to give these guys props :good:

Alex, this is the kind of stuff that never gets into your bubble.
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« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2013, 12:04:47 AM »
Isner is a threat at the US Open, because he has the ideal game to beat Federer (and has beaten him before, 6-2 in the 4th set,  Davis Cup @ Switzerland), and maybe trouble Murray (Isner took Murray to 4th set-breaker at US Open 2011). Plus, Isner is in better form right now than Djokovic, Murray, Federer. Wouldn't want to be in Isner's quarter.
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« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2013, 12:13:10 AM »
Isner is a threat at the US Open, because he has the ideal game to beat Federer (and has beaten him before, 6-2 in the 4th set,  Davis Cup @ Switzerland), and maybe trouble Murray (Isner took Murray to 4th set-breaker at US Open 2011). Plus, Isner is in better form right now than Djokovic, Murray, Federer. Wouldn't want to be in Isner's quarter.

Threat = QF or SF or Final???

In best of 5 sets, I've become resigned to believe he'll never reach another QF. He just has to work too hard and doesn't have much in the tank after long matches.
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« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2013, 12:36:10 AM »
ah Babbs, I'm sorry to burst your bubble bud. I actually do understand where you are coming from but I'm being realistic at the same time. I like surprises btw. I just don't believe that guys like Tursunov, Haas, Gulbis or Isner can get anywhere near that trophy.

Yeah, maybe it's getting boring, but I'm 99% sure that either Nole, Rafa or Muzza will win the tournament.

DP could surprise us, Fed ... maybe, who knows? I doubt it though.

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« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2013, 12:41:28 AM »
ah Babbs, I'm sorry to burst your bubble bud. I actually do understand where you are coming from but I'm being realistic at the same time. I like surprises btw. I just don't believe that guys like Tursunov, Haas, Gulbis or Isner can get anywhere near that trophy.

Yeah, maybe it's getting boring, but I'm 99% sure that either Nole, Rafa or Muzza will win the tournament.

DP could surprise us, Fed ... maybe, who knows? I doubt it though.

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« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2013, 12:53:08 AM »
ah Babbs, I'm sorry to burst your bubble bud. I actually do understand where you are coming from but I'm being realistic at the same time. I like surprises btw. I just don't believe that guys like Tursunov, Haas, Gulbis or Isner can get anywhere near that trophy.

Yeah, maybe it's getting boring, but I'm 99% sure that either Nole, Rafa or Muzza will win the tournament.

DP could surprise us, Fed ... maybe, who knows? I doubt it though.

You made it difficult for yourself when you took my sarcastic post hook, line, and sinker.
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« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2013, 12:55:57 AM »
Isner is a threat at the US Open, because he has the ideal game to beat Federer (and has beaten him before, 6-2 in the 4th set,  Davis Cup @ Switzerland), and maybe trouble Murray (Isner took Murray to 4th set-breaker at US Open 2011). Plus, Isner is in better form right now than Djokovic, Murray, Federer. Wouldn't want to be in Isner's quarter.

Threat = QF or SF or Final???

In best of 5 sets, I've become resigned to believe he'll never reach another QF. He just has to work too hard and doesn't have much in the tank after long matches.

At least Isner was good for that 70-68 fifth set @ Wimbledon vs Mahut. I know that's not his norm in marathons, but shows its possible. Wouldn't shock me to see Isner beat Federer especially. Murray a bit harder to beat because Murray is such a great returner. Djokovic also maybe too much, but at least Isner has beaten him recently. So yeah if Isner meets Federer, I give Isner a good chance (and similar matchup to Berdych-Federer). Really all depends on the draw for Isner. So when I say threat, I mean he's a threat to beat a top 10 player (Cincy, even though best-of-3 sets, was impressive because he beat Djokovic, Del Potro, and pushed Nadal to he limit of 2 sets, all within 3 days). Whether beating a top 10 player leads to a SF, is another story. But I think Isner has a good shot at reaching QF, if he can win the first couple of matches quickly.
“It is not too far way,” Toni Nadal told The Australian after Nadal collected the 13th major of his career by mowing down Novak Djokovic in an electrifying final of the US Open. “It is getting very, very close for Rafa to be level with Roger or more.”

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« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2013, 01:10:48 AM »
Anyone watch the quallies? On TV for the first time. I forgot :D
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« Reply #28 on: August 21, 2013, 06:59:50 AM »
I was also wondering what the blue highlights were?

Looking forward big time to this tournament! Nadal playing well, Isner playing well, Fed playing well...it looks to be some solid competition for a great tourney. Hopefully Djoker and Murray up their play (but not too much  ;-() ) by the USO, and then we'll see all kinds of great matches! Wonder who's quarter Fed's gonna be in? It seems like he's been in Nadal's quarter a LOT recently...
I'd still like to see Fed in Rafa's quarter because they've never played at the USO but that's just me  :).

and Babbs, answer our question goddamnit  :ranting:.

That's interesting that they've never met at the USO. I did not know that. Then I'll definitely have to hope they meet at some point.

As far as Isner goes, I can def see him making it to the quarters. Semis? Eh...maybe. But I'm pretty confident about the quarters. He's looked extremely in form recently and he's now seeded 13. So, theoretically, he won't have to expend much energy in the first two or three rounds. He can just let his serve dominate the matches against lower ranked players. Then, when he gets to the third or fourth round, he'll be ready to take some long matches. I think he has more stamina than people give him credit for. Everyone was saying he'd burn out after the long match with Djoker, but he didn't. Then people said it after the long match with Del Po, and he still didn't. He gave Nadal one heck of a match that could've easily gone into a third set. Now, I know this is Best of 5, not Best of 3, but Isner showed no signs of slowing down after 3 long, tight Best-of-3 sets matches, so why should he after 2 or 3 easy Best-of-5 set matches?

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« Reply #29 on: August 21, 2013, 07:51:42 AM »
I am not expecting too much from Isner. He's played what - EVERY week of the US Open series except this week? He peaked too soon. He'll do nothing at the US open because he will either be hurt or too tired. Plus, so many are predicting good things from him and the pressure will get to him. That's my prediction.


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« Reply #30 on: August 21, 2013, 08:39:03 AM »
Don't know what all the fuss about Isner is? :dunno:
'cause he's American?  ..-)

The guy has a very boring play in my humble opinion.
 He obviously depends way too much on that serve, his movement is pretty good for a tall guy, but if he misses or mess his 1st serve he goes all passive, just like the likes of Raonic, Karlovic and even Anderson sometimes. That's why Anderson is much 'better' player than Isner, he also has pretty deadly 1st serve, but his ground game and variety is much more noticeable.

He's tried to improve over the years, but I've seen very little improvement.
The problem with this is, when you have that HUGE freaking serve, go for S&V, make that game a lot more interesting.
Llodra is not shy away, Mahut also, not even Mr. Sexy lips!

Guys whose game depends almost all on a single huge stroke, can't do anything and I'm glad. I even wanted Nadal to win in the finals. After all he has much more variety to bring in a single match.
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« Reply #31 on: August 21, 2013, 08:49:29 AM »
Don't know what all the fuss about Isner is? :dunno:
'cause he's American?  ..-)

The guy has a very boring play in my humble opinion.
 He obviously depends way too much on that serve, his movement is pretty good for a tall guy, but if he misses or mess his 1st serve he goes all passive, just like the likes of Raonic, Karlovic and even Anderson sometimes. That's why Anderson is much 'better' player than Isner, he also has pretty deadly 1st serve, but his ground game and variety is much more noticeable.

He's tried to improve over the years, but I've seen very little improvement.
The problem with this is, when you have that HUGE freaking serve, go for S&V, make that game a lot more interesting.
Llodra is not shy away, Mahut also, not even Mr. Sexy lips!

Guys whose game depends almost all on a single huge stroke, can't do anything and I'm glad. I even wanted Nadal to win in the finals. After all he has much more variety to bring in a single match.

I just wish Jerzy has that type of serve. ://
Can we put Isner and Jerzy into blender and mix it together.  :rofl_2:
John Isner serve combine with Jerzy ground game.  :rofl_2:
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« Reply #32 on: August 21, 2013, 08:55:58 AM »
Jerzy is faaar better player than Isner.
Note that whenever I say better, I think most of the time of better in sense of much better game to watch. Records and titles don't mean almost nothing to me.

So I wouldn't want that huge serve, there are many players who understand that you don't need so powerful serves to be great server.
If Jerzy adapts his 1st serve like Isner's, there's a possibility of him becoming one-dimensional like him, which we wouldn't want  ..-)

What Jerzy needs to do is to get rid of that risky 2nd serves. He has great offensive ground game, so he don't need it risky that much.
Also deduce some of the speed from 1st serve, that way he can get more 1st serves in and he also kinda proved that even with less speed he can dictate the points.
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« Reply #33 on: August 21, 2013, 09:30:19 AM »
Isner is a threat at the US Open, because he has the ideal game to beat Federer (and has beaten him before, 6-2 in the 4th set,  Davis Cup @ Switzerland), and maybe trouble Murray (Isner took Murray to 4th set-breaker at US Open 2011). Plus, Isner is in better form right now than Djokovic, Murray, Federer. Wouldn't want to be in Isner's quarter.

Threat = QF or SF or Final???

In best of 5 sets, I've become resigned to believe he'll never reach another QF. He just has to work too hard and doesn't have much in the tank after long matches.

At least Isner was good for that 70-68 fifth set @ Wimbledon vs Mahut. I know that's not his norm in marathons, but shows its possible. Wouldn't shock me to see Isner beat Federer especially. Murray a bit harder to beat because Murray is such a great returner. Djokovic also maybe too much, but at least Isner has beaten him recently. So yeah if Isner meets Federer, I give Isner a good chance (and similar matchup to Berdych-Federer). Really all depends on the draw for Isner. So when I say threat, I mean he's a threat to beat a top 10 player (Cincy, even though best-of-3 sets, was impressive because he beat Djokovic, Del Potro, and pushed Nadal to he limit of 2 sets, all within 3 days). Whether beating a top 10 player leads to a SF, is another story. But I think Isner has a good shot at reaching QF, if he can win the first couple of matches quickly.

I have to agree with Babs on the fate of Isner due to the 5 sets format (vs 3.)  You make a good point about Isner hanging on 70-68 in the 5th of W, but how did he do AFTER that?  ZIPPO!  I think that's what my man Babs was implying.  After all, I am fluent in "Babs-ese, or is it Babsian??"
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« Reply #34 on: August 21, 2013, 09:58:08 AM »
Jerzy is faaar better player than Isner.
Note that whenever I say better, I think most of the time of better in sense of much better game to watch. Records and titles don't mean almost nothing to me.

So I wouldn't want that huge serve, there are many players who understand that you don't need so powerful serves to be great server.
If Jerzy adapts his 1st serve like Isner's, there's a possibility of him becoming one-dimensional like him, which we wouldn't want  ..-)

What Jerzy needs to do is to get rid of that risky 2nd serves. He has great offensive ground game, so he don't need it risky that much.
Also deduce some of the speed from 1st serve, that way he can get more 1st serves in and he also kinda proved that even with less speed he can dictate the points.

I think it in different way. In this stage, Jerzy's current characteristic and athletism will not make himself to become one-dimension player if he has Isner-type of serve. He will be glad that he can be more offensive with that type of serve. It suits his current game.  He moves faster than Isner and he has more shots than Isner. His defence during rally is much better than Isner.

Go back to real world! No more imagination! :rofl_2:
I do agree Jerzy needs to understand he does not need to push too much on serving. work out consistent before work out speed. However, I still want to bring Isner in this part of discussion. Besides Isner ground game, Isner is the most consistent server among these giants. Jerzy is opposite, his serve is way too inconsistent. Isner adds more kick than Jerzy on 2nd delivering. I see the differents in this year Cincinnati (glad they have low-angle camera). Jerzy's second delivering most of time is much flatter than Isner. Jerzy also can serve kick serve, but he chooses not in most time. Maybe it is because his kick serve is not good as Isner. Then he need to develop it into better serve. If kick serve works for Isner, it should work for Jerzy.

Sometimes I watch Jerzy is serving, I feel I am watching Sharaprova is serving.  :innocent:   
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« Reply #35 on: August 21, 2013, 10:16:31 AM »
Isner is a threat at the US Open, because he has the ideal game to beat Federer (and has beaten him before, 6-2 in the 4th set,  Davis Cup @ Switzerland), and maybe trouble Murray (Isner took Murray to 4th set-breaker at US Open 2011). Plus, Isner is in better form right now than Djokovic, Murray, Federer. Wouldn't want to be in Isner's quarter.

Threat = QF or SF or Final???

In best of 5 sets, I've become resigned to believe he'll never reach another QF. He just has to work too hard and doesn't have much in the tank after long matches.

At least Isner was good for that 70-68 fifth set @ Wimbledon vs Mahut. I know that's not his norm in marathons, but shows its possible. Wouldn't shock me to see Isner beat Federer especially. Murray a bit harder to beat because Murray is such a great returner. Djokovic also maybe too much, but at least Isner has beaten him recently. So yeah if Isner meets Federer, I give Isner a good chance (and similar matchup to Berdych-Federer). Really all depends on the draw for Isner. So when I say threat, I mean he's a threat to beat a top 10 player (Cincy, even though best-of-3 sets, was impressive because he beat Djokovic, Del Potro, and pushed Nadal to he limit of 2 sets, all within 3 days). Whether beating a top 10 player leads to a SF, is another story. But I think Isner has a good shot at reaching QF, if he can win the first couple of matches quickly.

I have to agree with Babs on the fate of Isner due to the 5 sets format (vs 3.)  You make a good point about Isner hanging on 70-68 in the 5th of W, but how did he do AFTER that?  ZIPPO!  I think that's what my man Babs was implying.  After all, I am fluent in "Babs-ese, or is it Babsian??"
Of course Isner did zippo after a 70-68 fifth set.... I mean even Djokovic did zippo after his marathon semi at Wimbledon this year and it was only a 6-3 fifth set. Its normal to lose the next match if you are tired. Most players would lose the next match after 70-68. Like I said, when I say Isner is a threat, I don't mean for the title. I give Isner 0% chance of winning the title. I mean he is a threat to a top 10 player. He can beat a top 10 player at the US Open. That is all though. A bit like Tsonga/Berdych. They can beat a top 10 player at a slam, but usually they won't beat another.
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« Reply #36 on: August 21, 2013, 11:12:09 AM »
The thing with Jerzy now seems to be a recurring arm issue since Wimbledon. What's up with that?

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Those who have DirecTV....the qualifying rounds are live on channel 221.  Enjoy! :))

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« Reply #38 on: August 21, 2013, 12:25:48 PM »
Those who have DirecTV....the qualifying rounds are live on channel 221.  Enjoy! :))

Get over yourself and your DirecTV. I've got it on Comcast, CBSSports Network 418.

They were interviewing US men's young guns so I left. Came back to see there's a heat advisory but it's only 89F and not too humid 35%.
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« Reply #39 on: August 21, 2013, 12:30:33 PM »
Those who have DirecTV....the qualifying rounds are live on channel 221.  Enjoy! :))

Get over yourself and your DirecTV. I've got it on Comcast, CBSSports Network 418.

They were interviewing US men's young guns so I left. Came back to see there's a heat advisory but it's only 89F and not too humid 35%.
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They announcer said they were in a heat advisory.  But anyway.. Townsend up a break in her match!