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2013 US Open: Seed Destruction - please explain
« on: August 31, 2013, 03:13:57 AM »
This is nuts! Wimbledon had Black Wednesday, but there were women involved with that. I don't recall a slam in which 10 seeds didn't win a single match and a total of 13 didn't get past the 2nd round.

The Top Half was a blood bath. 8 of the 16 seeded players are gone.

(Round of Loss)
Top
1 Djokovic
3 Murray
5 Berdych
6 Del Potro (2R)
9 Wawrinka
12 Haas
15 Almagro (1R)
16 Fognini (1R)

17 Anderson (2R)
20 Seppi
21 Youzhny
24 Paire (1R)
25 Dimitrov (1R)
28 Monaco (1R)
29 Melzer (1R)

31 Benneteau

Bottom
2 Nadal
4 Ferrer
7 Federer
8 Gasquet
10 Raonic
11 Nishikori (1R)
13 Isner
14 Janowicz (1R)
18 Tipsarevic
19 Robredo
22 Kohlschreiber
23 Lopez
26 Querrey (2R)
27 Verdasco (1R)
30 Gulbis (1R)

32 Tursunov

I'm wondering if there's an explanation or a common thread...  :confused1:
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Re: 2013 US Open: Seed Destruction - please explain
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2013, 04:29:22 AM »
Reports are that the "conditions" (I suppose court and heat) are faster. Who then would that hurt? Who would it favor?

First, I'm going to pull out the lame. Carrying injuries, physical or mental (Almagro), into the Open.
6 Del Potro (2R)
14 Janowicz (1R)
15 Almagro (1R)
28 Monaco (1R) - retired  :dunno:


So here's who's left
11 Nishikori (1R) - fast conditions helped Evans
16 Fognini (1R) - too fast
17 Anderson (2R) - got smoked by Baghdatis :dunno:
24 Paire (1R) - too fast
25 Dimitrov (1R) - probably too fast
26 Querrey (2R) - lost to Mannarino :dunno:
27 Verdasco (1R) - lost to Dodig
29 Melzer (1R) - lost to Donskoy :dunno:
30 Gulbis (1R) :dunno:

Some mysteries, some predictable results, and possibly 4 explained by fast conditions, which really doesn't lend much information, at least not at this point.

At the very least, it's interesting to look at  :)
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Re: 2013 US Open: Seed Destruction - please explain
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2013, 05:51:07 AM »
it's a combination of different things. I'll try to elaborate later.

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Re: 2013 US Open: Seed Destruction - please explain
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2013, 08:40:48 AM »
It does look odd on a paper but to be honest many of those 'upsets' are not even upsets, those were expected results.

Also many of them are known chokers.

The only upsets I can think of are:
Nishikori, I don't think he was affected by faster conditions because he proved many tmes for his height that he can hit pretty hard and flat. But I'm glad that Evans beat brat Tomic, and as you recommended I can't wait to actually see Evans' match.

Dimitrov he can definitely play on fast courts, we have seen it many times before. A true upset because Sousa is clay courter.

Janowicz probably the biggest upset, not sure what went wrong as I didn't wach the match.

DelPo lost to a fghter Hewitt, upset but still wasn't that unexpected, I said we've seen it before that Hewitt can trouble DelPo.

Verdasco(lost to better player), Gulbis(Ernie being Ernie), Almagro(see previous), Monaco(....), Melzer(long past his prime) even Paire and Querrey are not unexpected although Paire is also flat hitter, so he wouldn't be troubled by faster conditions.
Querrey would be an upset if he hasn't just retunred from injury and has been struggling with the form.
And Anderson who heavily depends on his serve got trashed by talented shotmaker Baggy, nothing unexpected.



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Re: 2013 US Open: Seed Destruction - please explain
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2013, 08:47:32 AM »
A lot of the young guys who are seeded high, are not experienced enough yet to advance far at the slams. They got their ranking points by doing well in the non-slams. So when they lose early at the slams its no surprise. Other upsets occur because the player is simply out of form. And sometimes you see an upset because of a matchup issue (Hewitt has given Del Potro problems before, beating him twice on grass and losing a thriller on hardcourt). So almost all the upsets have a logical reason. Not too many unexplainable upsets. More upsets at this year's US Open than most others, but its still explainable and we may see it happen at more slams now that the top 20 has some more young guys in it (the guys who are racking up ranking points in the non-slams but are too inexperienced to advance at the slams).
“It is not too far way,” Toni Nadal told The Australian after Nadal collected the 13th major of his career by mowing down Novak Djokovic in an electrifying final of the US Open. “It is getting very, very close for Rafa to be level with Roger or more.”

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Re: 2013 US Open: Seed Destruction - please explain
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2013, 09:54:13 AM »
It does look odd on a paper but to be honest many of those 'upsets' are not even upsets, those were expected results.

Also many of them are known chokers.

The only upsets I can think of are:
Nishikori, I don't think he was affected by faster conditions because he proved many tmes for his height that he can hit pretty hard and flat. But I'm glad that Evans beat brat Tomic, and as you recommended I can't wait to actually see Evans' match.

Dimitrov he can definitely play on fast courts, we have seen it many times before. A true upset because Sousa is clay courter.

Janowicz probably the biggest upset, not sure what went wrong as I didn't wach the match.

DelPo lost to a fghter Hewitt, upset but still wasn't that unexpected, I said we've seen it before that Hewitt can trouble DelPo.

Verdasco(lost to better player), Gulbis(Ernie being Ernie), Almagro(see previous), Monaco(....), Melzer(long past his prime) even Paire and Querrey are not unexpected although Paire is also flat hitter, so he wouldn't be troubled by faster conditions.
Querrey would be an upset if he hasn't just retunred from injury and has been struggling with the form.
And Anderson who heavily depends on his serve got trashed by talented shotmaker Baggy, nothing unexpected.

Media said that he hurt himself during workout before the match. However, he still could beat his opponent by the level he play on that match, but he was impatient in most of time.

By the way, Jerzy is kind of opposite. Most of his point allocates inseveral major events.
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Re: 2013 US Open: Seed Destruction - please explain
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2013, 10:03:32 AM »
Yeah I figured Jerzy must have had some kind of trouble.


On a side note, how awesome would be Haas-Hewitt  :lmao: Their last encounter was back in 2004, so many tennis memories.
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Re: 2013 US Open: Seed Destruction - please explain
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2013, 11:19:03 AM »
Yeah I figured Jerzy must have had some kind of trouble.


On a side note, how awesome would be Haas-Hewitt  :lmao: Their last encounter was back in 2004, so many tennis memories.

Well, he took medical time out at least 2 times in that match. However, I don't like his attitude, he still needs to learn how to mange his frustration.
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Re: 2013 US Open: Seed Destruction - please explain
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2013, 10:55:28 AM »
You don't remember 13 seeds not making it past R2? I guess it's been too long since Wimbledon, where 14 seeds didn't make it past R2....

And for R1 destruction, take a look at this. 14 men out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Australian_Open_%E2%80%93_Men's_Singles
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Re: Re: 2013 US Open: Seed Destruction - please explain
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2013, 01:05:52 PM »
You don't remember 13 seeds not making it past R2? I guess it's been too long since Wimbledon, where 14 seeds didn't make it past R2....

And for R1 destruction, take a look at this. 14 men out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Australian_Open_%E2%80%93_Men's_Singles


Wow, good research!

I remember Wimbledon lol, I just didn't want to go back and count. Has to be a USO high. No, I don't remember anything like this at the Open. And I'm not going back to look.

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Re: 2013 US Open: Seed Destruction - please explain
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2013, 06:51:16 PM »
J A M E S B L A KE Rafael Nadal is pretty fast too but, his speed is different. James Blake is explosive speed getiing from point A to Point B.