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Offline VolleyCam

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Do taller players win more? A statistical analysis.
« on: February 04, 2014, 07:23:47 PM »
A statistical analysis of the 2014 Australian Open.

In round 1 of the Mens draw:
-The taller player won 36 of 64 matches: 58%.
-Players were of equal height in 8 matches.
-The shorter player won 20 of 64 matches: 31%
-Shortest players in Round 1: David Ferrer, Tim Smyczek, Damir Dzumhur, Dudi Sela, and Albert Montanes (all 5′ 9″).
-Tallest player in Round 1: Ivo Karlovic

In round 1 of the Womens draw:
-The taller player won 34 of 64 matches: 53%.
-Players were of equal height in 10 matches.
-The shorter player won 20 of 64 matches: 31%
-Shortest players in Round 1: Sachia Vickery, Lauren Davis, and Kurumi Nara (all 5′ 2″).
-Tallest player in Round 1: Maria Sharapova (6′ 2″)

Read my blog to discover data from the entire tournament:
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Re: Do taller players win more? A statistical analysis.
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2014, 06:25:34 PM »
Is it about height?

Do shorter guys with higher rankings also lose disproportionately? If we use rankings as a proxy for talent, do the more talented, shorter players lose disproportionately? Is height the dominant variable or talent?
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Re: Do taller players win more? A statistical analysis.
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2014, 12:28:54 PM »
I win most of my matches against Jim D, so I hope that is factored in too!
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Re: Do taller players win more? A statistical analysis.
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2014, 02:46:19 PM »
VolleySpam,
Interesting topic.  Did you draw any conclusions from the AO yourself?

Good luck on the court is nice to have, but it's usually extraneous when playing against Baker.

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Re: Do taller players win more? A statistical analysis.
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2014, 12:05:00 AM »
The short answer is he can't draw any conclusions from a single draw.

My conclusion on this topic is:
Height is advantageous to a certain point, then an impediment after that point. It's analogous to Andy Roddick's serve. He was in the top 10 for a decade because of the serve, but having to rely on his serve in lieu of being a more complete player was an impediment.
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Re: Do taller players win more? A statistical analysis.
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2014, 05:05:54 AM »
I win most of my matches against Jim D, so I hope that is factored in too!
You are taller than JD as he is either hunched over a walker or in a wheelchair.
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Re: Do taller players win more? A statistical analysis.
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2014, 06:35:52 AM »
To restate my point for clarity, the top 50 may be getting taller but the top 5 isn't.
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Re: Do taller players win more? A statistical analysis.
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2014, 07:30:50 AM »
I win most of my matches against Jim D, so I hope that is factored in too!
You are taller than JD as he is either hunched over a walker or in a wheelchair.

True, last time I saw him he was on his back on a couch at the club with an ice bag.
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Re: Do taller players win more? A statistical analysis.
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2014, 09:05:24 AM »
I win most of my matches against Jim D, so I hope that is factored in too!
You are taller than JD as he is either hunched over a walker or in a wheelchair.

True, last time I saw him he was on his back on a couch at the club with an ice bag.
Was the bag strapped to his backside after losing a match to you?
Must have been a big bag! ;-()
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Re: Do taller players win more? A statistical analysis.
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2014, 07:30:21 PM »
I win most of my matches against Jim D, so I hope that is factored in too!
You are taller than JD as he is either hunched over a walker or in a wheelchair.

True, last time I saw him he was on his back on a couch at the club with an ice bag.
Was the bag strapped to his backside after losing a match to you?
Must have been a big bag! ;-()

I think Jimmy has a 2 match win streak on me and for some reason that 3rd match never seems to happen.  It will though, and I will not be losing.
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Re: Do taller players win more? A statistical analysis.
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2014, 11:54:19 AM »
I win most of my matches against Jim D, so I hope that is factored in too!
You are taller than JD as he is either hunched over a walker or in a wheelchair.

True, last time I saw him he was on his back on a couch at the club with an ice bag.
Was the bag strapped to his backside after losing a match to you?
Must have been a big bag! ;-()

I think Jimmy has a 2 match win streak on me and for some reason that 3rd match never seems to happen.  It will though, and I will not be losing.

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Re: Do taller players win more? A statistical analysis.
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2014, 03:36:05 PM »
Very interesting results. I would love to see this done over a larger dataset.

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Re: Do taller players win more? A statistical analysis.
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2014, 04:38:22 AM »
No one under 5 foot has won a slam, we can use that as a starting point.

You have to check how many people are in each range of height, then see what percentage of those are doing well.

6' 2-3" seems like an optimum height, just guessing.

There are exceptions, but that should not be used to prove the theory wrong.


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Re: Do taller players win more? A statistical analysis.
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2014, 05:00:57 AM »
No one under 5 foot has won a slam, we can use that as a starting point.

You have to check how many people are in each range of height, then see what percentage of those are doing well.

6' 2-3" seems like an optimum height, just guessing.

There are exceptions, but that should not be used to prove the theory wrong.

is there a tennis player who is so short?  :zipped:

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Re: Do taller players win more? A statistical analysis.
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2014, 05:12:46 AM »
Michael Chang won the French Open in 1989 he was short by many players we see on court.

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Re: Do taller players win more? A statistical analysis.
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2014, 05:19:01 AM »
Michael Chang won the French Open in 1989 he was short by many players we see on court.

he has 5 feet 8, not 5 feet.  Even I have 5 feet 6   :)~

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Re: Do taller players win more? A statistical analysis.
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2014, 06:17:44 AM »
Michael Chang won the French Open in 1989 he was short by many players we see on court.

he has 5 feet 8, not 5 feet.  Even I have 5 feet 6   :)~

lol I know he's not 5 foot like Scot :)) I think he has to be shortest men's tennis player to win a Slam?Olivier Rochus is another short house lol.


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Re: Do taller players win more? A statistical analysis.
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2014, 11:27:46 AM »
There were times when shorter players used to be bullied by the aggressive play.
Now, taller players, instead of taking the actual advantage of being even slightly taller, they grind with them.
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Re: Do taller players win more? A statistical analysis.
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2014, 07:32:19 PM »
Ken Rosewell was 5' 7".

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Re: Do taller players win more? A statistical analysis.
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2014, 04:11:41 AM »
Maybe taller players have some advantage, but skills are more important. Sharapova is pretty tall but she makes three double faults in one game.  Well, height has more advantage in men tennis than women i would think. In men tennis if you are only 1.70m when Nadal hits a top-spin ball it will bounce over your head almost, (very tough to hit), and your serve will be of course slower.