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Offline suzy4hand

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« Reply #40 on: April 02, 2006, 11:56:00 PM »
i do agree with you that she should be held to the rules, but you do really have to blame the umpire too. and the umpire called the tournament director and that woman also gave her the okay.  they couldve stopped her from going to the bathroom.

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« Reply #41 on: April 03, 2006, 06:10:37 AM »
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i do agree with you that she should be held to the rules, but you do really have to blame the umpire too. and the umpire called the tournament director and that woman also gave her the okay.  they couldve stopped her from going to the bathroom.

haha i have a feeling this topic wont be dead for a while!


But its something that u have to take into consideration: They can't prevent her from using the bathroom, that's just wrong. It's Sharapova's timing that's so controversal.
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« Reply #42 on: April 03, 2006, 06:20:59 AM »
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i do agree with you that she should be held to the rules, but you do really have to blame the umpire too. and the umpire called the tournament director and that woman also gave her the okay.  they couldve stopped her from going to the bathroom.

haha i have a feeling this topic wont be dead for a while!


But its something that u have to take into consideration: They can't prevent her from using the bathroom, that's just wrong. It's Sharapova's timing that's so controversal.


Well here is another theory that may be considered. Maria was hoping to serve out for the match at 5-3 in the 2nd set and then she would soon be able to get off court for the toilet, but as she was broken once again to made it 5-4, she felt she really needed to go(how insistent she was with the umpire that it was urgent) and it was best to go at the change of ends, so the game wouldn’t be stopped as long as her going at 5-5.
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« Reply #43 on: April 03, 2006, 09:45:23 AM »
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That first bathroom break was taken clearly to cool off Golovin before her service game. It's exactly for that reason against the rules to request it before your opponent serves.
The umpire clearly said so. She said, you can go to the bathroom only before your own service game, but Maria (in a panic mode) insisted that she could not hold.
So, thank God for Maria that Golovin held serve. If she lost the match right then and there, the commentaries would be much more damming for Maria.
The fact that she met with Yuri during that break is yet another issue. She went back for the shirt change to compose herself and possibly get some more coaching.
All in all, yes hard competitors are appreciated and valued, but win-at-any-cost competitors are quickly turned into villains. Just see how fans perception of JHH has changed after similar incidents (not to mentin the famous hand incident). This will not go totally unnoticed with the sponsors.


Is it a fact she met with Yuri during the break? I've seen talk about it on tennis boards, because Yuri left the stands at the same time, but is there even an investigation? Is there anything to investigate?

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« Reply #44 on: April 03, 2006, 09:50:05 AM »
theres no way she could've met with Yuri.  I was a ball girl for 6 years in Memphis, and anytime a player takes a bathroom break, even at the most minor tournaments, they are escorted by a tournament official to make sure that they do NOT meet with their coaches.

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« Reply #45 on: April 03, 2006, 09:50:58 AM »
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theres no way she could've met with Yuri.  I was a ball girl for 6 years in Memphis, and anytime a player takes a bathroom break, even at the most minor tournaments, they are escorted by a tournament official to make sure that they do NOT meet with their coaches.


Yeah, no coaching is allowed during those times.

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« Reply #46 on: April 03, 2006, 09:55:19 AM »
yep... and tennis players have WIERD requests.

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« Reply #47 on: April 03, 2006, 09:59:00 AM »
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theres no way she could've met with Yuri.  I was a ball girl for 6 years in Memphis, and anytime a player takes a bathroom break, even at the most minor tournaments, they are escorted by a tournament official to make sure that they do NOT meet with their coaches.


I figured somebody went with them.

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« Reply #48 on: April 03, 2006, 11:59:31 AM »
Yes, normally you can't meet with your coach, but we are talking Maria Sharapova here- the darling of the WTA.
The camera showed Yuri's seat was empty during the bathroom break, and the commentators hinted that he might have left to talk with her. Then there was a bit of awkward silence.
We all know that he bends the coaching rules frequently. Even if he said something to her while she passed by on her way to the bathroom, that's coaching and would be against the rules. If he spoke Russian, no one can prove he coached unless there was a Russian speaking person right there.
That match left a bad taste in my mouth. Maria was never my favorite, but I always had a lot of respect for her. That's eroding now. She's only one stunt or suspect play away from being on par with JHH in my book.

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« Reply #49 on: April 03, 2006, 12:17:49 PM »
Maria should have went over to make sure that it was nothing serious; then if she wanted to jumo around, adn wait for play to start up again fine.



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« Reply #50 on: April 03, 2006, 06:18:13 PM »
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Yes, normally you can't meet with your coach, but we are talking Maria Sharapova here- the darling of the WTA.
The camera showed Yuri's seat was empty during the bathroom break, and the commentators hinted that he might have left to talk with her. Then there was a bit of awkward silence.
We all know that he bends the coaching rules frequently. Even if he said something to her while she passed by on her way to the bathroom, that's coaching and would be against the rules. If he spoke Russian, no one can prove he coached unless there was a Russian speaking person right there.
That match left a bad taste in my mouth. Maria was never my favorite, but I always had a lot of respect for her. That's eroding now. She's only one stunt or suspect play away from being on par with JHH in my book.


My friend just came back from the Nasdaq and he was sitting, literally, next to Yuri; there was just a little break thing in between. Anyways, he said that Yuri coaches Sharapova throughout the matches, to the point of annoyance. So if it's against the rules to coach during matches, Yuri's a suspect. My friend said that every single challenge that Sharapova made, was indicated by Yuri.
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« Reply #51 on: April 03, 2006, 06:19:13 PM »
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i do agree with you that she should be held to the rules, but you do really have to blame the umpire too. and the umpire called the tournament director and that woman also gave her the okay.  they couldve stopped her from going to the bathroom.

haha i have a feeling this topic wont be dead for a while!


But its something that u have to take into consideration: They can't prevent her from using the bathroom, that's just wrong. It's Sharapova's timing that's so controversal.


Well here is another theory that may be considered. Maria was hoping to serve out for the match at 5-3 in the 2nd set and then she would soon be able to get off court for the toilet, but as she was broken once again to made it 5-4, she felt she really needed to go(how insistent she was with the umpire that it was urgent) and it was best to go at the change of ends, so the game wouldn’t be stopped as long as her going at 5-5.


Chris, it doesn't matter. Tennis is unpredictable most of the time. Sharapova should have taken a bathroom break the moment she felt a little tinkle.
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« Reply #52 on: April 04, 2006, 12:50:07 AM »
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i do agree with you that she should be held to the rules, but you do really have to blame the umpire too. and the umpire called the tournament director and that woman also gave her the okay.  they couldve stopped her from going to the bathroom.

haha i have a feeling this topic wont be dead for a while!


But its something that u have to take into consideration: They can't prevent her from using the bathroom, that's just wrong. It's Sharapova's timing that's so controversal.


Well here is another theory that may be considered. Maria was hoping to serve out for the match at 5-3 in the 2nd set and then she would soon be able to get off court for the toilet, but as she was broken once again to made it 5-4, she felt she really needed to go(how insistent she was with the umpire that it was urgent) and it was best to go at the change of ends, so the game wouldn’t be stopped as long as her going at 5-5.


Chris, it doesn't matter. Tennis is unpredictable most of the time. Sharapova should have taken a bathroom break the moment she felt a little tinkle.


No way would Maria have thought like that, she probably needed the toilet a while earlier but having a 5-1 lead she thought she'd be off court prety soon but when that didn't happen she reached a stage where she had hung on long enough and had to go at 5-4, at the change of ends.

Talking about toliets and needing to go is not a topic that we discuss too much, which is a relief :)
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« Reply #53 on: April 04, 2006, 06:09:32 AM »
it doesn't matter what the freaking score is. In tennis, u have to learn how to expect the unexpected.
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« Reply #54 on: April 04, 2006, 07:31:03 AM »
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it doesn't matter what the freaking score is. In tennis, u have to learn how to expect the unexpected.


Yeah that's why Golovin had to expect the unexpected- Maria going to the toilet, doesn't matter what the score was, she needed to go to the toilet at that moment in time and couldn't last any longer. If when you are 5-1 up, if you start thinking the unexpected that you may just lose the lead, you are in seriuos trouble. Maria had the belief that she could wrap the match up and then go to the toilet, not the belief that she may let a 5-1 lead slip and instead go to the toilet at 5-4.
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« Reply #55 on: April 04, 2006, 07:54:58 AM »
let me add on to that: Expect the unexpected that is within the rules.
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« Reply #56 on: April 04, 2006, 07:59:08 AM »
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let me add on to that: Expect the unexpected that is within the rules.


It is within the rules that's why she was aloud to go, there wasn't too much more of a delay as it was 90 seconds for the changeover anyway.
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« Reply #57 on: April 04, 2006, 04:55:03 PM »
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let me add on to that: Expect the unexpected that is within the rules.


It is within the rules that's why she was aloud to go, there wasn't too much more of a delay as it was 90 seconds for the changeover anyway.


I twas not in the rules! You're only allowed to go for a bathroom break on an even score! The umpire debated be4 she let Maria go.
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« Reply #58 on: April 04, 2006, 08:54:31 PM »
Hey wilsonboy and others....don't you know you're not going to win this argument against Chris!  He's defending his favorite no matter what... nothing less than we should expect.  I know I would expect you to defend Serena like that - as well as me and JadeFox would defend Roger... so let Chris have the last word and then we can move on to other subjects. :))

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« Reply #59 on: April 04, 2006, 09:29:34 PM »
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Hey wilsonboy and others....don't you know you're not going to win this argument against Chris!  He's defending his favorite no matter what... nothing less than we should expect.  I know I would expect you to defend Serena like that - as well as me and JadeFox would defend Roger... so let Chris have the last word and then we can move on to other subjects. :))


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