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Offline Mystify

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« on: June 13, 2006, 06:43:45 PM »
I need help I can't get 1 second serve in it is rediculous!!! Would someone please help me!!!! :(

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« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2006, 06:56:13 PM »
Use two first serves then.

Sounds more mental than technical.  Dont think about NOT double-faulting.  Get it in, and get it to the backhand.  That's all you should think about.
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Re: HELP 2nd serve
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2006, 06:58:31 PM »
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I need help I can't get 1 second serve in it is rediculous!!! Would someone please help me!!!! :(

I hear that Elena Dementieva is doing an instructional DVD on this topic. :-o
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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2006, 07:08:02 PM »
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I need help I can't get 1 second serve in it is rediculous!!! Would someone please help me!!!! :(

I hear that Elena Dementieva is doing an instructional DVD on this topic. :-o

That would screw up an entire generation of tennis players. Might as well go along with McEnroe's suggestion and only have one serve.
It's hard to tell what is wrong with a stroke without some sort of information about what is happening.
Does your second server go into the net too much? Too long? How consistant is your first serve?
Are you hitting the second with topspin, slice, or are you just pushing it in?

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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2006, 07:39:22 PM »
My 2nd serve goes into the net alot ! It is a slice serve my 1st serve ,well It goes in 50% of the time so I have to hit my first serve alot!

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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2006, 08:01:44 PM »
I guess the first thing I can say is aim higher over the net. But you will say that makes the serve go long. And I will say you will have to hit it with topspin.
Without breaking down your service motion, which I can't do since I can't see it... I will have to try to say this;
You say you hit a slice serve. That would mean that you hit away from your body as you are striking the ball. You are putting sidespin on the ball to get that slice action. Try to hit up on the ball (from about 7 oclock to 1 oclock instead of from 9 oclock to 3 oclock) with the same racquet speed you normally use, and aim higher over the net. Hitting up on the ball will put topspin which will pull it down over the net and, hopefully into the service box.
Of course it goes without saying that you will need to incorporate all the parts of a normal serve into a topspin serve. The knee bend, the back and shoulder turn etc....

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« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2006, 08:13:31 PM »
Thank u so much !!! I was on a different message board and the people were so mean . yall r so nice. Thanks ://

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« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2006, 08:19:53 PM »
I will comment in about 30 minutes.  I need to take care of a few things first.  :)
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« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2006, 09:15:25 PM »
One of the best pieces of advise I was ever given on the second serve was this:

"Swing as hard at your second serve as you do your first, just you all spin".

I really found that to be helpful.  If you can hit a kick serve for a second serve you get great height over the net and the ball drops fast.  I think once you can get the hang of a kick or topspin serve it is a very easy serve to hit into the box and it is also a serve that is harder to attack.

Here is a link to an article I wrote a while back, it is a short article (I hate long ones), it might or might not help?

http://www.tennis4you.com/lesson-lounge/tennis4you/serve/second-serve.htm

You did not give us much detail to help us analyize the problem either:
Grip
Serve Type
String Tension
Serve Speed
etc.
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« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2006, 09:23:22 PM »
Thanks I will try that tommorrow

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« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2006, 09:49:47 PM »
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One of the best pieces of advise I was ever given on the second serve was this:

"Swing as hard at your second serve as you do your first, just you all spin".

I really found that to be helpful.  If you can hit a kick serve for a second serve you get great height over the net and the ball drops fast.  I think once you can get the hang of a kick or topspin serve it is a very easy serve to hit into the box and it is also a serve that is harder to attack.

Here is a link to an article I wrote a while back, it is a short article (I hate long ones), it might or might not help?

http://www.tennis4you.com/lesson-lounge/tennis4you/serve/second-serve.htm

You did not give us much detail to help us analyize the problem either:
Grip
Serve Type
String Tension
Serve Speed
etc.

I actually had typed something to the effect of; many pros swing harder on the second serve than the first. But they hit the second with spin and drive through the first. But erased it since I felt it was more than was necessary. But it's an important concept to understand.
I think the grip is important, but what would be best would be some sort of video of what you are currently doing. I hit the second serve with a backhand grip to get more spin. that is I hit it that way when I could actually serve  ;>)

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« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2006, 08:52:32 AM »
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My 2nd serve goes into the net alot ! It is a slice serve my 1st serve ,well It goes in 50% of the time so I have to hit my first serve alot!


Okay, I'm gonna spare you all the technical terms and get you down to the basics. I had that same problem not too long ago and it took me a while to figure out how to keep my serve consistent. First off, make sure that you are bending your knees enough and that you're jumping up to the ball when it stops mid-air. Then WATCH THE BALL COME IN CONTACT with the racquet and follow through w/ the forward downward motion.

As for the second serve, you need to fix it mentally first, then deal w/ the actual motion. I think that you're probably putting more pressure on yourself to get it in than you actually need. Keep it in your head that it's just another serve... No big deal if you miss it... After you master that aspect of the serve, you should change ur approach to the second serve. Don't try to push it in b/c it seldom works, and when it does, your opponent will have an easy shot against you. Try to put some side-spin on it. Kinda just sweep the ball in a C-motion to spin the ball rather than just making it a soft first-serve. It takes practice...
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« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2006, 10:34:20 AM »
OK thanks!!! :))  :))  :))  :))  :))  :))  :H  :a)  :a)  :a)

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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2006, 09:17:13 PM »
what is a good way to practice putting spin (of any sort) on a serve without creating bad habbits and or a bad serving motion? I'm just starting to serve the ball with what I consider a moderate pace and am not real accurate yet and was wanting some advice on spin practice on my own.

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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2006, 09:28:51 PM »
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what is a good way to practice putting spin (of any sort) on a serve without creating bad habbits and or a bad serving motion? I'm just starting to serve the ball with what I consider a moderate pace and am not real accurate yet and was wanting some advice on spin practice on my own.

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Without sounding flippant, the best way to practice spin without creating bad habits, is to take a lesson or two. There is very little substitute for having someone guide you through what you should do. Reading it isn't the same.
My mantra was, and always has been shoulders, shoulders, shoulders. On forehands, backhands, and serves.
As for your creating bad habits, if you haven't already created some, there's not much new you can create by trying to add spin. It's important to understand that you are not going to slow your swing down. If anything you may end up speeding it up to get spin.
You will be looking for all the world like you are going to hit the ball with the side of the racquet, but then change the path by turning the wrist away slightly to brush the side or the back of the ball instead of snapping the wrist down through the ball like in a flat serve.
You can try tossing the ball slightly behind you to get a better chance to hit up on the ball. That will help achieve topspin, but it will also give the serve way, and it's not the best for the health of your shoulder (I can attest to that).
Everything else should be very similar to your normal serve, assuming you are technically sound with it.

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« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2006, 09:29:08 PM »
ZEBRA,

My old coach would have my stand behind the baseline 10' and try to just spin the serve into the box.  No pace, just spin.  I always thought that was a good spin exercise.  I still do it now and then.
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« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2006, 09:35:35 PM »
I forgot one other thing.
The serve & overhead in general are not shots you should hit with a firm wrist. You should have a somewhat loose, dare I say, limp wrist. This is especially true when trying to get spin.
The best way to get the feel of this loose wrist is to use a 3 fingered grip. Grip the racquet with just the index, middle and ring finger. The pinky should be off the butt of the racquet. I wouldn't suggest using this grip in a match (though I've done it when my serve has gone off for a nap), and you want to be careful not to let the racquet fly. But it really does give you the correct feel that you should have in your wrist, and you will notice the difference.

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« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2006, 07:37:58 AM »
You should hit two second serves then....

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« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2006, 10:26:11 AM »
Back in college around 1890, I used to help the head coach at camps and in phys ed classes and the like, and we used to teach the "peel the orange" second serve.  Using the backhand grip, hit below the ball at around 5:00 (for a righty; 7:00 for lefty and reverse directions) and accelerating, whip up, over and around the ball (orange) going from 5:00 to 12:00 to 9:00 thus creating a nice kicker.   As some have mentioned, the speed of the racket may actually be faster than the first serve but with much larger margin of error.  If you have to change your grip, this may increase the time it takes to perfect it from 1 minute to 90 seconds  ..-)
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