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Offline gm3106

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Fed defeat: Serious questions about his fitness
« on: January 27, 2005, 07:49:12 AM »
At the beginning of the fifth set Federer recieved treatment on both is back and his arm, and when you consider how he had breezed through his previous matches, you would not have expected such wear and tear. He was definitley struggling physcially in that final set; his movement was slower than usual. Safin, on the other hand, looked like he could carry on a lot longer, and maintained a superb level of play.

I've always felt that Federer did not look as physically strong as some of the other players ont he tour and maybe he felt that the was he has been dominating the game, he did not need to be. But today I felt that it really cost him because if you are stronger you will not get those kind of injuries that occur in long matches. In fact, I have heard in the past that most of the fitness work Federer does is related to flexibiltity, eg. work with the medcine ball.

The other thing to consider is that, if you discount the QF Agassi match at the US Open which was played over two days due to rain, Federer had not played a five set match in a grand slam since the 2003 AO against Nalbandian. I think this showed today because he did not have anything left in the tank in the fifth set. Although serving second in that final set did put him under huge amounts of pressure to keep up with Safin, and that contributed to mental cracking. However, Safin had been unlucky in the sense that he was serving second in the previous four sets.

I don't want to take anything away from Safin though, he battled extremently hard despire letting all those match points go. I must also apologise to him because I did not think he stood much of a chance prior to the match. The match was not quite the high quality encounter expected though - the play from both men was littered with unforced errors. But what the match did have was a lot of drama, the point where Safin saved that match point in the 4th set breaker was incredible. At that moment, I thought Federer had won for sure.

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« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2005, 08:05:03 AM »
Wow.  I can't wait to record this later today.

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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2005, 08:30:27 AM »
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I can't wait to record this later today.


Me either!

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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2005, 08:46:26 AM »
I hope Federer takes motivation from this loss and works hard on what cost him the match.   He needs to realize just because he has won so many big events in the last year and a half, he still has to work hard on improving himself and being the best he can be.   This match shows he has let that slide somewhat.

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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2005, 09:17:37 AM »
I wouldn't go that far...
The guy is human after all and a loss was inevitable eventually. I don't think after losing to Safin he's suddenly gpoing to start to panic - he lost to players like Hrbaty, Berdych and Costa last year and still managed to finish way clear at the top. I don't think Fed needs to do anything different to his preparation just yet either - semis of a Slam is no mean feat, he just came up against a very very good Safin performance.

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« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2005, 09:19:28 AM »
Safin did play excellent, but Federer was quite sluggish, still had chances to win, did not convert them, and got very tired at the end.   Safin, an excellent player, played excellent tennis to take advantage.  Roger still has to be quite disconcerted with his performance.   I doubt he will win any slams this year after watching him play yesterday's match.  I hope he has a couple other very good slams though, semis or quarters, since winning appears out of reach for him this year.

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« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2005, 09:28:44 AM »
Thats a very bold statement!
He loses one match, and now the supposed "untouchable" Federer won't win a Grand Slam this year? He's a virtual shoe-in for Wimbledon as no-one has been able to even come close to beating him there the past two years.

Also, I fail to see how a sluggish 2 sets, when he was carrying an injury, would mean that he will have a poor season. Players lose matches, and have off-days, look how well Fed played in the earlier rounds at the Aussie Open and at Doha earlier this year. The man is still the best player in the world.

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« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2005, 09:32:43 AM »
Tell me I am wrong when he wins his next slam.    I look forward to being right the rest of the year.   I like Federer but I also like being right and I will be here to good-naturedly remind you I was right.    ://

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« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2005, 09:34:33 AM »
You may be right, I'm not disputing that. It will certainly be interesting to see how we re-acts but if I remember, he re-acted quite well after his last Grand Slam defeat by winning the next two very comfortably.

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« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2005, 09:37:31 AM »
A slam defeat at the French Open, where he is very good but knowingly beatable, where he actually wasnt playing sluggish tennis.   Huge difference.

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« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2005, 09:38:30 AM »
Was outplayed by Guga - surely thats worse.
If he was just sluggish, he can play better - if he's outplayed, well he's just outplayed.

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« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2005, 09:44:39 AM »
Safin has not won 3 Australian Opens though.   I am not judging by the opponent anyway, just his level of play was subpar, and he failed to convert opportunities, looked tired, and showed flaws in his game.   I dont think those things will be easily restored.

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« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2005, 09:47:10 AM »
Yeah - it'll certainly be interesting how he reacts. But I think the most important thing is to join the UFT game at the bottom of this forum - its a very good game  :))  :))  :))

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« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2005, 09:54:46 AM »
Federer did win the next two slams the last time he lost in one, but coming next is the French Open, where he has never gone beyond the quarters because clay is his worst surface.

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« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2005, 10:00:51 AM »
He will probably have a dissapointing French Open, not even reaching the quarters, then his confidence will be gone losing two straight majors and doing demoralizingly at one, and he will lose at Wimbledon, and he will lose at the U.S open too.

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« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2005, 10:03:40 AM »
Yeah, I do nto plan on him doing much damage at the FO, but who knows, he has mad game.  But the FO will test his fitness more so than the AO did.
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« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2005, 10:13:06 AM »
He could do well at the French - he won Hamburg last year beating arguably the best clay courter in the world, Guillermo Coria, fairly comfortably in the final. Having said that, thats the one he'll find the most difficult to win due to the sheer volume of specialist Spaniards and South Americans.

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« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2005, 10:15:01 AM »
I think he will find any of the slams difficult to win this year.    If he never wins another slam in his career he would end up tied with Courier.  That would suck, but he would be tied with Santana who is a great player so it wouldnt be too bad.

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« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2005, 12:24:44 PM »
Wow, aren't we counting the eggs a little too early? Federer lost 9-7 in the fifth set of a grand slam semifinal. It's not the end of his winning days, folks.

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« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2005, 12:24:44 PM »
Well, Federer did said his priorities for this year were to defend his Wimby title and his #1 ranking, anything else coming his way is just a bonus. I wouldn't worry too much about this defeat. Safin played like his life was on the line. Federer was injuried but he didn't used that as an excuse, unlike a lot of other players. Federer gives credit where credit is due, and that's Safin.
If you see the way they met at the net after the match, both were satisfied with the show they had put on, and the crowd got a special treat. Safin will raise Federer's game to another level.
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