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Offline gm3106

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Will Federer's air of invincibility vanish?
« on: January 27, 2005, 09:22:21 AM »
OK, so he is still number one by a ridiculous margin, a very strong favourite for Wimbledon this year, and just about leads the pack of contenders for the US Open, but this defeat is likely to have two affects: 1) Federer will lose some confidence (even just a little) and 2) the rest of the field e.g. Hewitt, Safin and Roddick (and maybe even Agassi) will truly believe, once more, that it is possible to defeat Federer in a grand slam because Safin has demonstrated just that.

Although he never would have admitted this publicly, Federer was secretly planning to complete the calender grand slam in 2005 and, right now, he's got to be feeling pretty low because he failed at the first hurdle and his dreams are in tatters. However, the 'career' grand slam should still be on at some point because he only needs the French Open to complete it, but the prospect of him doing it this year looks less likely after today.  

Even though I, like everyone else, though he would win this tournment, it was always going to be very hard for Federer to match his achievements of last year. Lets face it: winning three slams in one year is very hard, and winning all four is near to impossible, although not quite.

The history of sports shows that, once a team or a player loses after a long spell of winning, the feeling of invincibility often goes with it. I don't know if anyone on this board knows about English soccer, but last season a team called Arsenal won the title without losing a single match (something never before achieved). As soon as they lost a game this season they lost their confidence and could no longer beat much weaker teams than themselves (they will almost certainly not retain their title this season). This is because Arsenal lost their confidence and the other teams grew in confidence and believed Arsenal to be beatable.

Similarly, Pete Sampras never quite had the same air of invincibility about him in his later years as he did between 1993- 1997 (the period when he was most dominant), although he did go out on an incredible high at the 2002 US Open.

Now, I'm not saying the same will happen to Federer, just that it could. Maybe the next time Roddick is leading Federer by a set and a break in a grand slam final, as he was at Wimbeldon 2004, he may actually overcome the mental barriers of beating Federer because Safin has already shown that is possible.

Federer may well not equal or beat Sampras's record of 14 grand slam titles, but he will surely win enough to become an all time great, especially if he repeats Agassi's feat of the career slam. And who knows, Federer may still have enough chances to establish himself as the greatest of all time, but today was a real lost opportunity.

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« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2005, 09:32:56 AM »
Lost opportunity maybe, but to say his aura of invincibility may be diminishing is premature to say the least. People seem to have forgotten that he lose matches last year too, and seem to also forget that he was carrying an injury in the 5th set of this one. Wait until after the Masters in Miami and Indian Wells - ifhe fails to win either of them, then we can start the talk of him being a spent force - one defeat hardly spells danger.

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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2005, 09:34:47 AM »
I totally agree.   I would be very surprised if he won any slams this year after watching his sluggish performance against Safin.

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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2005, 09:42:42 AM »
lol, he will win at least 1 if not 2 slams.  Quote me on this.
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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2005, 09:43:27 AM »
Ok, and if you are wrong you have to buy me dinner!     :uh:

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« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2005, 09:47:57 AM »
sweet, McDonalds it is!
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« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2005, 10:01:19 AM »
You do nto Super Size do you?  I am broke...  :)
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« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2005, 10:01:22 AM »
I actually like McDonalds.   :lmao:

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« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2005, 10:03:04 AM »
But you still haven't told me if you super size.  That costs 39 cents and that is getting a little pricey for my blood.
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« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2005, 10:16:15 AM »
I get the per-day specials between thursday-sunday and I dont super-size it, I read the paper super slow and enjoy it.    I can buy my own fourth item if I want it.     :lmao:

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« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2005, 10:17:14 AM »
dang it!   I have to pay for the first 3!?!!   :ranting:
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« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2005, 10:18:44 AM »
Come on, I didnt ask for a gourmet caviar special.     :H

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« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2005, 11:18:34 AM »
Scott

I think you should invite ALL the members over to your house for a cookout, but you better have lots of beer if Jeffro makes an appearance.
I was at this casino minding my own business, and this guy came up to me and said, "You're gonna have to move, you're blocking a fire exit." As though if there was a fire, I wasn't gonna run. If you're flammible and have legs, you are never blocking a fire exit.  - Mitch Hedberg

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« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2005, 11:24:02 AM »
I will get a Keg just for him.  :)
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« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2005, 12:14:16 PM »
I don't think this defeat will do anything to Federer except to make him stronger. Often when you're at the top and wining everything easily, you tend to take it for granted. This is a wake up call for him. Safin played beyond his abilities. I've never seen him like this, even when he destroyed Sampras at the US Open. Federer will bounce back. As for Serena-Sharapova match, it was actually pretty good. I've never cared for Serena but she hung tough and dug like never before for that victory last night. I'm very impressed, same to Safin. Congrats to both Serena and Marat. They deserved to win the title since those semis are more of a "finals" qualities.
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« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2005, 01:22:32 PM »
This game, in and of itself, signifies nothing, means nothing.  He lost, everybody loses, and even the very great come away from the Slams with more losses than wins.

Everyone was just about ready to give the Grand Slam to Federer this year, and yet, the Slam is more a statistical oddity than a sign of greatness.  You have to be lucky to win a Grand Slam, you have to escape an entire year without an injury like he might have suffered and you don't get to have any one week wonders thrashing you.

Momentum is a tricky thing in tennis, and golf for that matter, and it's harder to see during the course of the year.  Check back in a year to see if this loss has/had any significance.

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« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2005, 03:52:48 PM »
He will definitely be number one for quite some time yet and I don't think Safin will be able to challenge him in that regard. Also, Federer is still young and may still improve. Although, he will now not complete the career slam this year, I think he already has Wimbledon in the bag - as for the other two - I'm not sure, especially the French. He still has chance to make some histroy this year though - if he wins the french he will join Agassi in the histroy books as one of only six men to have won all 4 of the slams. That's not to shabby an achievement, even if it was not the clean sweep which Federer had secretly planned.

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« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2005, 07:44:10 AM »
Quote from: "timd818"
I don't think this defeat will do anything to Federer except to make him stronger. Often when you're at the top and wining everything easily, you tend to take it for granted. This is a wake up call for him.
Yeah, this is how I choose to see it.  A big loss was inevitable.  I don't see how somebody can stay driven when they haven't lost in 6 months.  

Besides, he lost to SAFIN!!!  He didn't lose to Hrbaty, Davydenko, or even Roddick -- he lost to the player who by all rights should have won 4 or 5 Slams by now.  The only player you can argue is in a different way even more talented than Federer.  If you were making a prototype tennis player, he would probably look and play a lot like Safin.  

Yeah, this question is fun but wayyyyyyyy premature. :)~