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Re: Formula 1 Racing
« Reply #380 on: August 29, 2008, 12:27:11 PM »
Former world champion dies!!!  :( :( :( :(     

Phil Hill, the only American-born Formula One world champion, has died at the age of 81.


Hill passed away in a California hospital due to complications from Parkinson's disease.

Born in Florida, he won the drivers' title for Ferrari in 1961 and three career grands prix.

"Phil and I have always kept in touch throughout the years and I know I will miss his passion and love for Ferrari very much," said the Italian marque's president Luca di Montezemolo.

America's only other world champion, Mario Andretti, was born in Italy.

Hill retired from F1 in 1966.

He is survived by wife Alma, son and former F3000 racer Derek, daughter Vanessa, stepdaughter Jennifer and four grandchildren.

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MONTEREY, Calif. -- Phil Hill, the only American-born Formula One champion, died Thursday of complications from Parkinson's disease. He was 81.

The 1961 Formula One champion and a three-time 24 Hours of Le Mans winner, Hill died at Community Hospital of the Monterey Peninsula, said friend John Lamm, a noted automotive photographer and editor-at-large with Road & Track magazine.

"He raced at a time when racing was extremely dangerous and got through it all without a serious injury," Lamm said. "He had an extraordinary mechanical sense. He was very much in tune with the car."

Hill won the 1961 Formula One title by a point over Wolfgang von Trips, the Ferrari teammate who was killed in the team's final race of the year. Hill won three F1 races, taking the Italian Grand Prix in 1960 and 1961 and the Belgian Grand Prix in 1961.

"I, as well as all employees of Ferrari are extremely saddened by the news of the passing of Phil Hill, a man and a champion who gave so much to Ferrari," Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo said. "Phil and I have always kept in touch throughout the years and I know I will miss his passion and love for Ferrari very much."

Mario Andretti is the only other American F1 champion. He was born in Italy.

After retiring as a driver in 1967, Hill worked as a racing commentator for ABC and a contributing editor for Road & Track magazine, and devoted time to classic cars and auto restoration.

"His knowledge of automobiles was almost spooky," Lamm said. "And he knew it off the top of his head. ... He was extremely intelligent and well-rounded. He was an opera expert and very well-read. He was very sophisticated."

Hill, also a three-time winner of the Sebring 12-hour race, was inducted into the International Motorsports Hall of Fame in 1991.

"Phil was a very special guy and had a love for the automotive age," said Dan Gurney, a teammate with Ferrari. "He was always a potential winner when he sat in a race car. He was both a competitor and a close friend and a fellow I could look up to."

Hill, born in Miami on April 20, 1927, grew up in Santa Monica and attended the University of Southern California.

He's survived by wife Alma, son Derek, daughter Vanessa Rogers, stepdaughter Jennifer Delaney and four grandchildren.

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Re: Formula 1 Racing
« Reply #381 on: September 07, 2008, 08:36:16 AM »
What a finish to the Belgian Grand prix! Raikkonen lead from the end of the first lap until 2 laps before the finish, with Hamilton 2nd, Massa 3rd, but as the rain came down over the last few laps, Raikkonen failed to deal with it as he was outpaced by Hamilton on the finshing straight and 2 spins on the penultimate lap cost him, as the 2nd spin took him into the wall and out of the race. Hamilton managed to drag his car round the final 2 laps, beating Massa into 2nd, while Nick Heidfeld pitted from 4th before the last lap to put on wet tyres, dropped down to about 8th before he got back onto the track, but then stormed through to take 3rd, with Alonso doing the same and taking 4th.

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« Reply #382 on: September 07, 2008, 08:42:27 AM »
A very odd finish to the race, terrible conditions made it very tough for Raikkonen and he just couldn't deal with it. With the last few laps a full 36 seconds slower than good conditioned laps, it sure was a strange way to finish. Hamilton dealt with the conditions well, and was lucky he had enough of a lead over the ones who chose to change to wet weather tyres, but he couldn't risk losing the race just to be safer.

But my family had a good laugh at the start of the race when "Mr. No-one's going to overtake me this time" got overtaken by Raikkonen right at the start.

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« Reply #383 on: September 07, 2008, 10:17:21 AM »
Did Hamilton managed to keep first place????? Raikkonen i think put in a complant.

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« Reply #384 on: September 07, 2008, 10:23:01 AM »
Did Hamilton managed to keep first place????? Raikkonen i think put in a complant.

Apparently both are under investigation  :confused1: I didn't see anything Hamilton did wrong: he was forced off the track at one point and came back on ahead having inadvertently taken a shortcut, but he let Kimi back ahead before passing him again, nothing wrong with that.

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« Reply #385 on: September 07, 2008, 11:13:01 AM »
Didn't see the race but heard there was a lot of dram- especially near the end with thhe rain falling and none of the drivers changing tyres so close to the end of the race. Hoping Hamilton keeps his 1st place whatever the investigation may be about.
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« Reply #386 on: September 07, 2008, 11:21:24 AM »
McLaren's Lewis Hamilton was stripped of a dramatic victory in the Belgian Grand Prix after stewards handed him a 25-second post-race penalty.

The Englishman was demoted to third place behind Ferrari's Felipe Massa and BMW Sauber's Nick Heidfeld.

The move came after an investigation into a late-race battle between Hamilton and Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen.

Hamilton's lead over Massa in the title chase has been cut by two points.

Massa's team-mate Raikkonen 19 points adrift off the lead

Before the penalty, he had extended his lead over the Brazilian to eight points, with Raikkonen effectively out of the running on 23.
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Any idea what he did?

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« Reply #387 on: September 07, 2008, 11:28:35 AM »
Thats bad news indeed for Hamilton to lose that win and for Massa to instead get the victory. The season is so tight now and it bring Raikkonen back into the title race really now. I've still not read anywhere why this has happened.
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« Reply #388 on: September 07, 2008, 11:30:40 AM »
Ok, the penalty was for the incident at the chicane where:
1) Hamilton tries to go round Kimi on the inside before the chicane.
2) Kimi blocks him off, forcing Hamilton away .
3) Rosberg, who had been on the grass, comes back on, cutting right across Hamilton, who has to go behind him, forcing him to miss the chicane and onto the grass.
4) Hamilton rejoins after the chicane in front of Raikkonen.
5) Then, realising he'd cut the corner, he let's Raikkonen past (that's fully past, Raikkonen was a car-length ahead)
6) Hamilton then, having let Raikkonen ahead, outpaces him on the straight and is ahead by the next corner.

What on earth did he do to incur a 25-second penalty? If I were shankar, I would assume a conspiracy against Hamilton, as it is I don't have a clue what the FIA are thinking.

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« Reply #389 on: September 07, 2008, 11:34:26 AM »
Thanks for that info Kick. Thats absolutely ridiculous from what I can make out, how an earth he gets a penalty for that I'm not sure. Seems to me the FIA may be trying to avoid Hamilton running away with the title and have spotted a perfect opportunity to tighten it up again!
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« Reply #390 on: September 07, 2008, 11:34:38 AM »
Wait a second. FIA...FIA(T)....please somebody tell me there is no link between the FIA and Fiat, who own Ferrari?  :scared: There isn't, surely?

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« Reply #391 on: September 07, 2008, 11:36:41 AM »
Wait a second. FIA...FIA(T)....please somebody tell me there is no link between the FIA and Fiat, who own Ferrari?  :scared: There isn't, surely?

 :rofl_2:  :rofl_2: No there's definitely no link/connection between the FIA and Fiat.
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« Reply #392 on: September 07, 2008, 11:37:19 AM »
Wait a second. FIA...FIA(T)....please somebody tell me there is no link between the FIA and Fiat, who own Ferrari?  :scared: There isn't, surely?

 :rofl_2:  :rofl_2: No there's definitely no link/connection between the FIA and Fiat.

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« Reply #393 on: September 07, 2008, 12:42:50 PM »
Lewis Hamilton has had his Belgian Grand Prix victory overturned by the stewards, handing the win to title rival Felipe Massa, who finished second on the road.

Hamilton was given a 25-second penalty for cutting the Bus Stop chicane during his wheel-to-wheel battle for the lead with Kimi Raikkonen during the closing laps.

Although the McLaren driver appeared to lift off and was repassed by Raikkonen on the exit of the corner, the stewards ruled that he had gained an advantage by short-cutting the circuit.

"The stewards, having received a report from the race director and having met with the drivers and team managers involved, have...determine a breach of the regulations has been committed by the competitor and impose the penalty referred to," said an FIA statement.

Hamilton was deemed to have "cut the chicane and gained an advantage", thereby breaching Article 30.3(a) of the sporting regulations and Appendix L chapter 4 Article 2 (g) of the International Sporting Code.

With 25 seconds added to his race time, Hamilton has dropped to third in the classification behind BMW Sauberís Nick Heidfeld.

The decision brings about a six-point swing in Massa's favour in the championship standings, reducing Hamilton's lead from eight to two points.

Raikkonen crashed out of the race on the penultimate lap and is now 19 points behind Hamilton with five rounds remaining.

:cheer: :yahoo: :grind dance: Basically what the stewards are saying is that although Hamilton did the right thing by letting Raikkonen repass him, he actually gained a bit of an advatage after what happened there.

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« Reply #394 on: September 07, 2008, 02:29:33 PM »
Lewis Hamilton has had his Belgian Grand Prix victory overturned by the stewards, handing the win to title rival Felipe Massa, who finished second on the road.

Hamilton was given a 25-second penalty for cutting the Bus Stop chicane during his wheel-to-wheel battle for the lead with Kimi Raikkonen during the closing laps.

Although the McLaren driver appeared to lift off and was repassed by Raikkonen on the exit of the corner, the stewards ruled that he had gained an advantage by short-cutting the circuit.

"The stewards, having received a report from the race director and having met with the drivers and team managers involved, have...determine a breach of the regulations has been committed by the competitor and impose the penalty referred to," said an FIA statement.

Hamilton was deemed to have "cut the chicane and gained an advantage", thereby breaching Article 30.3(a) of the sporting regulations and Appendix L chapter 4 Article 2 (g) of the International Sporting Code.

With 25 seconds added to his race time, Hamilton has dropped to third in the classification behind BMW Sauberís Nick Heidfeld.

The decision brings about a six-point swing in Massa's favour in the championship standings, reducing Hamilton's lead from eight to two points.

Raikkonen crashed out of the race on the penultimate lap and is now 19 points behind Hamilton with five rounds remaining.

:cheer: :yahoo: :grind dance: Basically what the stewards are saying is that although Hamilton did the right thing by letting Raikkonen repass him, he actually gained a bit of an advatage after what happened there.

Question: what was he meant to do instead?
1) Crash into Raikkonnen?
2) Crash into Rosberg?
3) Once he had left the track, reverse back to where he went off and re-start?
4) Do what everyone else does and keep going until he gets back on the track, then let Raikkonnen past?

He didn't gain an advantage: he was up Raikkonen's backside before the corner and up it again after. McLaren have appealed, and from what I saw, they should be succesful because there is no case to answer.

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« Reply #395 on: September 07, 2008, 03:10:33 PM »
kickserve, I'm not denying that I'm happy with the result, but this was the stewards and not me, so I have nothing more to say. None of us are experts, the stewards know what they're doing and that's the end of it. If the McClaren protest is successful, then that's another story.

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« Reply #396 on: September 07, 2008, 03:14:04 PM »
kickserve, I'm not denying that I'm happy with the result, but this was the stewards and not me, so I have nothing more to say. None of us are experts, the stewards know what they're doing and that's the end of it. If the McClaren protest is successful, then that's another story.

Apparently not. Rumour has it Stevie Wonder filled in as steward after the regular one fell ill  :whistle: The ITV commentators, who are ex-drivers, said that Hamilton had done exactly what he should;ve done, and looking at it, there was no sensible alternative for Hamilton other than what he actually did.

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« Reply #397 on: September 07, 2008, 03:15:44 PM »
kickserve, I'm not denying that I'm happy with the result, but this was the stewards and not me, so I have nothing more to say. None of us are experts, the stewards know what they're doing and that's the end of it. If the McClaren protest is successful, then that's another story.

Apparently not. Rumour has it Stevie Wonder filled in as steward after the regular one fell ill  :whistle: The ITV commentators, who are ex-drivers, said that Hamilton had done exactly what he should;ve done, and looking at it, there was no sensible alternative for Hamilton other than what he actually did.

You can argue all you like kickserve, but the decision is the stewards. If the appeal is successful, then it's successful, buut if it's not, then Hamilton lost some of his lead in the Championship... It's their decision and their decision will be final.

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« Reply #398 on: September 07, 2008, 03:29:05 PM »
kickserve, I'm not denying that I'm happy with the result, but this was the stewards and not me, so I have nothing more to say. None of us are experts, the stewards know what they're doing and that's the end of it. If the McClaren protest is successful, then that's another story.

Apparently not. Rumour has it Stevie Wonder filled in as steward after the regular one fell ill  :whistle: The ITV commentators, who are ex-drivers, said that Hamilton had done exactly what he should;ve done, and looking at it, there was no sensible alternative for Hamilton other than what he actually did.

You can argue all you like kickserve, but the decision is the stewards. If the appeal is successful, then it's successful, buut if it's not, then Hamilton lost some of his lead in the Championship... It's their decision and their decision will be final.

I wonder how you'd feel if a team scored the winner against Liverpool with a dubious penalty? Or how you reacted when Italy knocked Scotland out of the Euros from a ridiculous free-kick  :whistle:

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« Reply #399 on: September 07, 2008, 06:50:06 PM »
kickserve, I'm not denying that I'm happy with the result, but this was the stewards and not me, so I have nothing more to say. None of us are experts, the stewards know what they're doing and that's the end of it. If the McClaren protest is successful, then that's another story.

You can say that again (in all sports)  ;-()
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