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« on: March 01, 2005, 04:03:49 PM »
There is a huge debate on BBC Tennis about giving equal prize money to men and women. I remember a few yrs ago (actually, about a decade or two ago with Martina) they had a debate about this. Wonder why Davenport brought it up now. It's not like she'll ever win another Grand Slam, but it is a good point.
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« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2005, 04:22:30 PM »
No, just because the men play 5 set matches.  Plus the interest is higher on the ATP side.
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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2005, 12:11:59 PM »
Take a look at the winners/unforced errors stats in the later rounds of the Australian Open, in the Serena-Davenport final, the Davenport-Dechy semifinal, the Sharapova-Serena semifinal, and the Kuznetsova-Sharapova quarterfinal, and you will see why some are skeptical of women deserving equal prize money.

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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2005, 12:20:23 PM »
lol...

I am not sure how I feel about this.  I think equal prize monye would be nice.  I also think making the women play best of 5 sets at slams would be nice too.

A few years back (6-8) they made the women play a best of 5 sets at the YEC finals.  I wish they would at LEAST do that at the slams.
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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2005, 12:23:00 PM »
They should play the same number of tournaments in five sets as men, if they want equal pay.   It would force the woman to get fitter, and they wouldnt get injured as much.   They would have to give up the cheeseburger and donougt diets.    I heard Capriati is rejoining the tour soon.   Perhaps she is preparing by heading to Rickos all you can eat buffet every evening for a few weeks to get herself back into WTA elite shape.

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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2005, 12:27:11 PM »
lol.  I think most women would argue that best of 5 sets would result in more injuries.  Capriati has always looked like she eats more than the regular WTA player, but she hangs in on her matches very well.  Her fitness hasn't seemed to be a problem.  Her whiney attitude however...
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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2005, 12:31:29 PM »
Yeah she must be alot fitter than she looks.  She looks like she is payed to store the buffet for the restaurant and she simply is surgically opened to remove all the food items for the king buffet.

       I hate her attitude though.   She is the only player I cheer for Serena against.   I also dont find her skill and tennis worthy of her 3-for-5-slam run during 2001-early 2002.   Serena, Venus, to a lesser extent Henin-Hardenne, all played tennis of a higher level, with more success against other top players than she had during her run, during their own runs of 3 or 4 majors out of 5 or 6 slams.   In fact her head to head with top players total was about .500 during it.

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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2005, 12:38:11 PM »
5 sets aint nuttin.  Shoot, I can play 3 sets of doubles and 2 sets of singles any day  :)~
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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2005, 12:42:37 PM »
I play 5 sets against my dad alot.   It takes only an hour usually though, or less.   It depends if I am choosing the finish points quickly or practice my rallying more.    My dad is a great person to play to boost my ego.

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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2005, 12:44:36 PM »
The debate comes and goes, but it is not really a debate. The female player play the "we are equal" card. The analist, sponsors, fans, tournament directions all say "but you are not". Female says" I do not care, we want the same money". Pfff.
If they get the same amount of money it is because someone or some organisation is getting tired of it and rather spend their time and thus money on other things. This might be a sound investment, although the whiners win. :)

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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2005, 12:53:58 PM »
Women playing best of 5 sets is a bad thing. Look at how many errors Venus made in 2 sets and you want to sit thru 5 sets of that? It will cause more injuries, like we need anymore of that. I've seen a few 4-5 setters in the past. It's really sad toward the end. They can barely hit the ball. Davenport can barely play 3 sets, in 5 sets she'll be in slow motion mode, not that she's any quicker in 3 sets.
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« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2005, 12:58:16 PM »
Davenport would be hillarious in 5 sets.
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« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2005, 01:02:17 PM »
She would need a special roller-skating wheelchair rolled out for her to use for the last two sets.

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« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2005, 01:03:09 PM »
I guess all those in favor of playing 5 sets will turn their noses at the dreaded SUPER TIEBREAKER.  I hate the thought of having to play one of those instead of a final set.  That's almost as bad as playing "no add".  AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!  I know, "let's play a super tiebreaker with woden rackets and those bigger balls" they were talking about using to slow down the huge power games.  Looks like I went off on a little bit of a tangent, sorry.
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« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2005, 01:03:10 PM »
the question is.. who is going to push her?

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« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2005, 01:14:23 PM »
Her hubby and coach will have to share doing that.    They will all need to take a four month break for the extensive bodybuilding program both will have to endure to prepare for this regular challenge though.

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« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2005, 01:20:02 PM »
Allright! Good one!
I guess Davenport will ask for a raise in prize money to be able to pay for this extra help and get the same pay as the men in the end. lol

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« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2005, 05:32:43 PM »
I'm surprised it has taken this long for the subject to be approached again. I won't even bother dissecting the fallacious "but men play five sets" argument. I'm all for equal pay.

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« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2005, 07:44:20 PM »
Quote from: "timd818"
There is a huge debate on BBC Tennis about giving equal prize money to men and women. I remember a few yrs ago (actually, about a decade or two ago with Martina) they had a debate about this. Wonder why Davenport brought it up now. It's not like she'll ever win another Grand Slam, but it is a good point.
Because Dubai announced equal prize money for the women.  When an Arab country announces that its prize policy is more "fair" than England's, I guess Lindsay feels the itch to be heard.

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« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2005, 07:55:55 PM »
Quote from: "BitterBlueBong"
I'm surprised it has taken this long for the subject to be approached again. I won't even bother dissecting the fallacious "but men play five sets" argument. I'm all for equal pay.
Based on what?

I'm not a fan of the "men play five sets" argument either.  Nobody's salary is really determined by how long they work.  After all, Tom Cruise makes more from 2 months of acting than most people will make their whole lives.  In tennis, I'd pay more to watch Fed and Safin play best out of 3 than Kuznetsova and Shaugnessy play best out of 27.  To me, the only thing that matters is how much revenue the women can prove they're directly responsible for generating.    

If we're talking about Wimbledon, if they can prove that they hold just as much sway with ticket buyers, sponsors, and TV viewers as the men, then they deserve more prize money.

The "problem" is when people think of the "best," they generally think of men.  When there's a woman's version and a men's version of a tour, the men's is generally considered to be premiere.  WTA is by far the most prestigious professional organization for women, but when people think of the best player in the world -- not best MAN player or WOMAN player, just simply best PLAYER -- they think of Roger Federer.  I think this also plays a part in it.  People will pay to see the best.  

In the US, though, Venus and Serena probably have more drawing power than just about anybody not named Agassi, Roddick, or Federer.  

Uh.  Yeah.