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« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2005, 11:17:40 PM »
I still like our chances in singles tomorrow.
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« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2005, 12:13:48 AM »
According to the TV listings ESPN2 had allocated the 10:00 to midnignt EST slot.  They actually came on about 10:10 PM EST and ESPN ending up extendind out to an even 1:00 AM EST ending.  At first I thought ESPN would edit it down and when the USA won the first set I thought the USA would win in straights which would mean you could fit the compete match by midnight EST or at least 12:10 EST because they were 10 minutes late coming on.  When they are late coming on they will often extend it to make it up because they may have already edited the tape for a two hour show.  Once it was two all then I figured they would make at a three hour show or at least maybe two hours and 50 mintes whch is what ended up happening.  Thus you could probably tell that who won the third set would win the match if after the third set was over it was not edited.  Since you saw the first point of the fourth set you know the USA had lost.   I also figured that when the USA lost the long  third game of the third set they would probably lose because there would not be enough time for the USA to break back and win a fourth set by 1:00 AM EST.

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« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2005, 01:45:02 AM »
Yeah, Andre matches up better against Ancic compared to Ljbucic whereas Andy has Ivan's number.

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« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2005, 02:06:03 AM »
Ljbucic was very impressive in his match.  People all around me were oohing and ahing at the shots he was hitting, how easy he made the game look.  He was so calm the whole match.  You got the sense that no matter what, in the end he would be victorious.  

Agassi seemed out of sync.  He was missing routine shots frequently, and he always seemed to be at a loss for where Ivan would hit it next, scrambling to catch up.  I read an article stating that Ivan was hitting high loopers to Agassi's backhand, outside his strike zone, and he would also slice to Agassi's backhand, forcing him to generate his own power, and this was critical to his win.  In the second set you could see Agassi was making it more of a priority to try to break down Ivan's backhand but it just wasn't working.  Ivan seemed perfectly content to just stroke it back crosscourt and most of the time it was Agassi who lost patience first and went for too much, committing tons of errors in the process.

Ivan always looked pretty smooth on TV, but in person he is silky silky smooth.  His strokes aren't as beautiful as that of, say, Roger or Guga, but his game is pretty handsome nonetheless.  

He always seemed prepared, never rushed, just making it look so so easy.  Whenever he had a target, or Agassi tried to pressure him, it's like he simply picked a spot and never wavered, smoothly stroking it to that spot, often for winners.  e.g.  When Agassi tried to get him into a crosscourt backhand contest, it was Ivan who would hit a backhand down the line for a winner when the right shot presented itself.  That's usually Agassi's move but like somebody already pointed out, Andre was playing like crap.  Still, against somebody not so hot he could have eked out the second set and maybe finally found his rhythm in the 4th set.  

But no against Ivan.  He was simply outclassed.  Ljubicic will be in the top 10 by the end of the year, that seems pretty clear, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the top 5.  He was a joy to watch, and inspirational as heck.  

Also, his serve was lethal on Friday.  He topped out at 141 mph, and his service motion is smooth/hard to read.

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« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2005, 02:32:43 AM »
excellent win for our debut players yesterday, did themselves and Britain extremely proud. Andrew Murray and David Sherwood beat the number 8 doubles team in the world Ram and Elrich in 4 fantastic sets. that puts us 2-1 up with Greg first up for us today. Well done to Andrew and David, that win just about confirms our playoff place in september, as Rusedski is the class act of the tie.

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« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2005, 02:58:53 AM »
Two more factors Yahoo Tennis just pointed out...

One more reason why Roddick and Ivan, that match will determine the winner.  If Roddick wins, all the pressure will be on Ancic.  I think the pressure will be a breath of fresh air for Agassi, whereas it will suffocate Ancic.

The doubles match, though a loss, will still take a physical and emotional toll on Ancic and Ljubicic.  They were on the court for 2 hours 40 minutes, and they have to play again Sunday/today.  They're in great shape but pros like them rarely spend so much time on court playing matches that mean something on three consecutive days.  

More importantly, after winning such an important doubles match, I've gotta think the emotional toll of coming down after such a high, realizing that you still have to win two very tough matches must be a big downer.  

Still hope for the US.

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« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2005, 03:47:55 AM »
How ironic.  Everyone was so certain that the modest legend Agassi would beat the genius Ljubicic and that the twins would cruise by and put a smirk on Pat Mc's face.  The media and haters stereotype & ridicule Roddick, yet he was the one that played with variety--clever one-handed backhand, drop shots and volleys.  Even Brad Gilbert, Mr. Condescending Jerk, admitted that Roddick didn't serve the way Brad coached him to (140-155 mph).  He had success with a bad 1st serve %- under 58 %.
I wonder why it took so long for him to train and play well.

Too bad, there's no Federer to lighten up your day.

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« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2005, 05:50:53 AM »
I'm not sure why Guest is gloating so much, but he's right that Andy showed quite a bit of variety in his match.

In general, the Ancic Roddick match was much more entertaining than the Agassi Ljubicic match.  I didn't enjoy watching their technique as much as I enjoyed watching Ivan's, but the youngsters were hitting harder, more lively, and after Agassi's loss people both Croatia and USA supporters had reason to cheer louder and longer.  

From the moment Roddick stepped on the court, he was strutting.  I mean strutting strutting.  Like a peacock.  After their warmup Andy strutted to his chair like John Travolta, as if the Bee Gees were next to him singing Staying Alive, and he flipped his racket in the air, letting it drop on his bag, never stopping as he made his way to Patrick Mac.

Roddick is still pretty one-dimensional, but it looks like his new coach is actually making some productive changes in his game.  His slice was very good, especially for a guy with a two-handed backhand.  And he's not serving as big, and in general he wasn't serving great, but he seems to be putting more thought into its placement instead of just trying to crank every single first one in.

The thing with Roddick is that you can see the effort in every shot of his game.  Every one of his strokes reek of effort, unlike, say, Mario's serve, which looks like a ballet move.  He does NOT make the game look easy.  But he's very athletic.  Watching him play Ancic, you could practically see the intimidation on Mario's face.  Roddick isn't smooth, but he's strong, fast, and loves to fight.  Andy was strutting.  Mario was moping.  

Anyway, if I were teaching a player tennis, I wouldn't want him to imitate any of Andy's shots.  His volleys are ugly, his backhand is ugly, his serve is ugly, his forehand is not ugly, but definitely not smooth.

But his slice backhand is nice.

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« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2005, 06:08:24 AM »
Hello everybody!

I'm from Croatia and I am enjoying this few days of Davis Cup as Croatia is playing great. Ivan is in such a great form and is not a surprise how he demolished Agassi so easy. The doubles win that Ivan and Mario produced against Bryan brothers is, I think,  the greatest doubles victory in Croatia's tennis history.

Today's matches will be completely different than the ones played on friday. I think Ivan has to win against Roddick, because I hope Croatia won't depend on Mario who isn't serving esspecially well all weekend.

It's going to be one hell of match between Ivan and Andy, and I truly hope that Ivan can continue to play great tennis as he did all year.

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« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2005, 08:29:04 AM »
ESPN Classic will pick up the final two Davis Cup matches live today becasue ESPN and ESPN are filled up with tournament basketball games.   This is good rather than the old practice of seeing the deciding match on tape.  When you see the first match played on Sunday on tape you will know that who is ahead will win that match and the Davis cup tie unless rain halted play.  ESPN2 will still have the Davis cup on tape repeated for those who didn't have ESPN Classic.

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« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2005, 08:53:47 AM »
Welcome to the boards guest!!!

Gary, do you know what time those matches star?
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« Reply #31 on: March 06, 2005, 09:01:27 AM »
These matches will start at 2:00 PM local time which is 5:00 PM EST.  The first will be seen on ESPN Classic live and the next one will be seen unless it is a dead rubber match.  If it is a dead rubber match Agassi will probably not play.

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« Reply #32 on: March 06, 2005, 10:17:46 AM »
I've read the same copycat posts from people who claim a player's one-dimensional without knowing the player's state of mind and background.

One-dimensional would mean what?
I hope it's not based on comparing 2 players with different body types, fitness levels, experience level, fitness level, agility and upbringing.  Player A may win many matches but he doesn't have good coaches and the right genetics which give him an advantage over player B.  Player B may have the advantage of great coaching, better flexibility & movement, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's more intelligent or beautiful to watch for every viewer.

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« Reply #33 on: March 06, 2005, 10:26:17 AM »
If someone said pick a one-dimensional player in the top 20 I would pick Roddick first.  He has no plan "B" on the court.  He can only do some stuff well, the rest is average.  I like the guy, but he is no Federer, who can execute any game plan from anywhere on the court.  He can adapt his style of play to what will drive his opponent nuts.

Roddick just serves and hopes to hit foreahnds.
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« Reply #34 on: March 06, 2005, 10:59:23 AM »
Scott, you're right on as usual. But I would guess that the big factor this afternoon will be if Roddick can keep together mentally.  One hopes there are no antics like we saw in the AO. I also wish the guy success.

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« Reply #35 on: March 06, 2005, 11:06:44 AM »
To Roddicks credit, he USUALLY stays mentally focused.  Hewitt seems to break him down mentally.  Maybe Ivan should just yell "come on!" after every point.
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« Reply #36 on: March 06, 2005, 11:20:40 AM »
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I've read the same copycat posts from people who claim a player's one-dimensional without knowing the player's state of mind and background.
We can only judge him by what we see.  If I watch a basketball player and notice that all he can do is shoot mid range jumpers, I'm not going to sit there trying to imagine what his state of mind is or what his background is.  

Would you agree that we can only judge by what we can observe?

Roddick is one dimensional, but that's not to say he's a bad player.  Categorically speaking, he's a fantastic power player.  But he's pretty one-dimensional.  

But, I will say that his Davis Cup match was actually pretty nice to watch.  It seems that he knows he's gotta expand his range in order to regain the number one ranking.  Under Brad Gilbert, I don't think adding variety was a priority, if even a consideration at all.  I read Brad saying something to the affect of "instead of trying to make Andy the perfect player, I think we should make his strengths even stronger, and really impose his strengths on other people... I believe his strengths are enough to beat anybody."  Remember, this is the coach that on many occasions said that he thought Andy could get his serve up to 160 mph.  

I'm curious to see what Goldfine is going to do with Andy's game.  Brad Gilbert seemed to be of the mind that Andy's one-dimensional, but the one-dimension he possesses is more powerful than the 2 or 3 dimensions some other players have.  Then suddenly Federer comes into his own and Roddick's feeling very average.  

This is going to be a very telling year for Roddick.  Maybe this year and next year.  He's a very ambitious dude, and he makes no bones about telling everybody that he's gunning for number 1.  I don't think he enjoys being number 3 at all.  There certainly is a lot of things he can improve.

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« Reply #37 on: March 06, 2005, 11:37:01 AM »
Roddick just serves and hopes to hit forehands...


if my serve was 140 to 150..and i could move quick enough to get around the backhand...i would do the exact same...

what is roddick..like 22 years old....man these guys are just going to keep getting better...

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« Reply #38 on: March 06, 2005, 12:03:27 PM »
People see what they want to see.  They compare him to Europeans, South Americans, Australians, etc. whom he has nothing in common with except for maybe a fast serve.
I'm not sure that Roddick's as ambitious as you think.  He loves having leisure time throughout the year, but I don't believe
he really craves huge success + high expectations + hard work + many years of tennis.

Roddick wasn't even going to turn pro until he was 16.
No one can be one-dimensional and still win tournaments at age 10 and have 100 wins/no loss at age 12.

He had to take time off because he had a bad back at 16.   There weren't exactly many clay and grass tennis courts and matches in the U.S.  He was very weak physically and served less than 120 mph.  Then, he grew from 5'1" to 6' at 15.

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« Reply #39 on: March 06, 2005, 01:30:21 PM »
One thing that may have hurt the USA on Saturday was the fact the fisrt singles was over in straight sets and the second singles only went to four sets.  Most times it would not make a difference but this time both members of the Croatian doubles team also played singles.  It is not unusual to have one in the singles but you often don't have both in the singles.  The US chances would have been best in the doulbles if both went to five sets.  That would have made the Croatian team quite tired and if the fifth sets were 16-14 the Croatian team might have had to substitue a different player.  Also yesterday the US team needed at least to take the doulbes into a fifth set to help tire the Croatian players for the singles and if the fith set was 16-14 maybe forced the Croatian to substitute in the singles.