Ok Logic please don't take what I'm about to say as me trying to brag or trying insult you because I was accussed of this before. But I've been playing tennis since I was 8 years old, played junior tennis and now play at a college level. I've also played futures and challenger events.
Well then you're now officially the best player here.
Lucky dog. We need to draw some stories out of you. At the same time the appeal to authority argument doesn't work with me. I've played college tennis, too. And although I'm sure I'm nowhere near the player as you if you played challengers, I'm an avid student of the game and always have been.
I've been around tennis my whole life. when your telling me that Federer doesn't have to rely on patterns, what your saying he doesn't have to rely on strategy.And if that's what you feel then that's fine your entilted to belive what you want.
Yes, not the same way other players do. Most players settle on patterns because it helps them impose their strengths on the opponent. Federer has so many strengths that he doesn't have to rely on patterns as much. Again, I bring up the fact he didn't have a coach as he had arguably the greatest year in men's tennis. What are the implications of this?
But I know for a fact from my own personal experience that if you don't have a pattern to build upon then you have no real game and you won't be successful at the pro level.
Again, I agree that you're probably right with most players, but most players are not Federer. I'm making an exception here. Federer is a player with an unprecedented number of strengths. He's an exception. I don't think your personal experience bears any relevance to Federer in the same way a journeyman ABA player's personal experiences relates to that of Kobe Bryants. What's true of many doesn't have to be true of all.
You asked me what I meant by basic pattern I told you that the basic pattern is to hit deep or wide crosscourt, I've already spoken of the importance of the cross court baseline game.The rest of your game is built upon your crosscourt game. If you don't have that very basic foundation then your game won't evolve. All players build upon patterns that were strategy comes from. Federer is a great but your speaking more of his ability than the basic foundations of tennis.
Fine, it's the basic foundation of everybody's
game, but that aside I still don't think Federer needs to subject himself to the same useful restrictions that other players do. He's a very special player.
Your asking me for specific patterns that Federer uses, your asking me his strategy I don't know his strategy that he uses in each of his matches., I said he uses basic patterns that all players must use...
Again, if all players use it, it's almost not worth commenting on. Despite the fact that all players use this pattern, it's pretty easy to see that there's a quite a bit of different playing styles out there. In my mind, Federer's game bears little resemblance to Roddick's, or Agassi's, or Dent's, or Hewitt's or Safin's or... actually, to me he's almost like Guga and Henman mixed together but maybe not. I don't know. Okay, everybody uses the cross court shot as the foundation of their game, agreed. Now, with that said, I'm talking about what makes Federer unique.
It's almost like your telling me that eveything I know to be true is wrong, again your opinion.
Only if you look at it as an all or nothing proposition, which I don't. I'm making an exception for Federer, and it's important that you remember that. What does it mean to not want or require a coach?
But it's not possible for a player to play at a competive level without the very basic foundation. Without basic foundation there is no game plan, no strategic play and basically mindless tennis.
Okay, I agree that Federer has great cross court shots. So do most Open level players.
Federer uses the same basic pattern that everyone else does, the diffrence is that he is better skilled and has a better strategic game plan.
your asking me his strategy I don't know his strategy that he uses in each of his matches.
How can you say both that you don't know what his strategy is AND that he has a better strategic game plan?
The basic tennis pattern hasn't change in 100 years why would it change now?
See, this is where I get confused about what we mean by pattern. The game has changed drastically in the past 25 years, let alone the past 100. Serve and volley was the default mode of play back in the day. Now it's mostly power baseline play. A huge serve and a disproportionately strong ground stroke are the foundations, whereas back in the day whoever got to the net first had the advantage. I'm beginning to think we disagree a lot more than I originally thought.
So again your entilted to believe what you like it's not my job to change your perspective I was trying to give you mine. If you are offended by anything in my post that was not my intent.
I am absolutely not offended. In fact, I'm delighted. This was fun. No, you didn't change my mind about Federer. I still think he's the most instinctual player I've ever seen... relies less on preset strategy... and being the most complete player ever allows him this... but, dude or dudette, it's really not about changing people's minds. If you think I'm nuts, that's okay. As long as we don't resort to passive aggressive personal attacks, it's all good.