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Katrina victim sues for $3 quadrillion
« on: January 09, 2008, 04:31:01 PM »
NEW ORLEANS - Hurricane Katrina's victims have put a price tag on their suffering and it is staggering — including one plaintiff seeking the unlikely sum of $3 quadrillion.
 
A whopping $3,014,170,389,176,410 is the dollar figure so far sought from some of the largest claims filed against the federal government over damage from the failure of levees and flood walls following the Aug. 29, 2005, hurricane.

Of roughly 489,000 total claims, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers said it has received 247 for at least $1 billion apiece, including the one for $3 quadrillion.

"That's the mother of all high numbers," said Loren Scott, a Baton Rouge-based economist.

For the sake of perspective: A mere $1 quadrillion would dwarf the U.S. gross domestic product, which Scott said was $13.2 trillion in 2007. A stack of one quadrillion pennies would reach Saturn.

Some residents may have grossly exaggerated their claims to send a message to the corps, which has accepted blame for poorly designing the failed levees.

"I understand the anger," Scott said. "I also understand it's a negotiating tactic: Aim high and negotiate down."

http://real-us.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080109/ap_on_re_us/katrina_flood_lawsuits

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I didn't even know a quadrillion existed. ..-) I thought it was one of those number words like zillion and bazillion.




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Re: Katrina victim sues for $3 quadrillion
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2008, 12:20:23 AM »
She's not expected too much then......  :whistle:
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Re: Katrina victim sues for $3 quadrillion
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2008, 09:43:52 AM »
As the article said, "Aim high and negotiate down." I think she took it veeeeeeeeeery literal. :whistle:



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Re: Katrina victim sues for $3 quadrillion
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2008, 10:21:28 AM »
As the article said, "Aim high and negotiate down." I think she took it veeeeeeeeeery literal. :whistle:

too literally for sure and slightly over the top  ;-()
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Re: Katrina victim sues for $3 quadrillion
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2008, 06:13:47 PM »
As the article said, "Aim high and negotiate down." I think she took it veeeeeeeeeery literal. :whistle:

too literally for sure and slightly over the top  ;-()

Slightly??  :-o   

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Re: Katrina victim sues for $3 quadrillion
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2008, 11:47:15 PM »
Give me a freakin' break!  Now the government is responsible for protecting it's citizens from Mother Nature?!?!?  I think I'm gonna puke. :mad1:

The damn fools.  The taxpayers ARE the government for cryin' out loud.
That concludes my rant for this evening. :zipped:
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Re: Katrina victim sues for $3 quadrillion
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2008, 04:16:03 PM »
Give me a freakin' break!  Now the government is responsible for protecting it's citizens from Mother Nature?!?!?  I think I'm gonna puke. :mad1:

The damn fools.  The taxpayers ARE the government for cryin' out loud.
That concludes my rant for this evening. :zipped:


Well, as a Katrina victim, (I have never lived in New Orleans or the Gulf Coast but we did get a lot of damage) I think it's the government's responsibility to help these people get back on their feet and to ensure this never happens again. As far as having levees strong enough to have endured a strong storm. As for the former, I know there are a lot of FEMA trailer parks that are closing and the people living there are complaining they have no place to go. ..-) They have 2.5 years rent free and haven't saved enough money to rent an apartment or to buy a house or to have somewhere to go.. double ..-) That's what's ridiculous. ;-()



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Re: Katrina victim sues for $3 quadrillion
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2008, 05:07:52 PM »
Give me a freakin' break!  Now the government is responsible for protecting it's citizens from Mother Nature?!?!?  I think I'm gonna puke. :mad1:

The damn fools.  The taxpayers ARE the government for cryin' out loud.
That concludes my rant for this evening. :zipped:


Well, as a Katrina victim, (I have never lived in New Orleans or the Gulf Coast but we did get a lot of damage) I think it's the government's responsibility to help these people get back on their feet and to ensure this never happens again. As far as having levees strong enough to have endured a strong storm. As for the former, I know there are a lot of FEMA trailer parks that are closing and the people living there are complaining they have no place to go. ..-) They have 2.5 years rent free and haven't saved enough money to rent an apartment or to buy a house or to have somewhere to go.. double ..-) That's what's ridiculous. ;-()
As a taxpayer I couldn't disagree with you more.
Those folks chose to live there knowing full well that area is below sea-level and is prone to hurricaines.  Expecting some man-made contraption to withstand the forces of Mother Nature is foolhardy.  Expecting me to fund such stupidity smacks of Socialism and as you may have guessed by now, I'm not a big fan of the Socialist Democratic Party. ;-()

I'd say your comments of the folks who've lived off the taxpayer for 2.5 years without taking the personal responsibility to rebuild their lives and get off the dole supports the comments I've made.

 


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Re: Katrina victim sues for $3 quadrillion
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2008, 05:56:23 PM »
Give me a freakin' break!  Now the government is responsible for protecting it's citizens from Mother Nature?!?!?  I think I'm gonna puke. :mad1:

The damn fools.  The taxpayers ARE the government for cryin' out loud.
That concludes my rant for this evening. :zipped:


Well, as a Katrina victim, (I have never lived in New Orleans or the Gulf Coast but we did get a lot of damage) I think it's the government's responsibility to help these people get back on their feet and to ensure this never happens again. As far as having levees strong enough to have endured a strong storm. As for the former, I know there are a lot of FEMA trailer parks that are closing and the people living there are complaining they have no place to go. ..-) They have 2.5 years rent free and haven't saved enough money to rent an apartment or to buy a house or to have somewhere to go.. double ..-) That's what's ridiculous. ;-()
As a taxpayer I couldn't disagree with you more.
Those folks chose to live there knowing full well that area is below sea-level and is prone to hurricaines.  Expecting some man-made contraption to withstand the forces of Mother Nature is foolhardy.  Expecting me to fund such stupidity smacks of Socialism and as you may have guessed by now, I'm not a big fan of the Socialist Democratic Party. ;-()

I'd say your comments of the folks who've lived off the taxpayer for 2.5 years without taking the personal responsibility to rebuild their lives and get off the dole supports the comments I've made.

What about if a blizzard stranded you in your home? Shouldn't the government (FEMA) and National Guard help you because you can't help yourself? Or should you and your neighbors dig yourselves out because you live in an area with seriously strong winter weather?

Also, the wildfire victims. Should the government not help those people because they knew they were living in an area where wildfires could occur? Or people living in tornado alley? What if you were in an airplane and it crashed right after take off. Should no one come to help you because, "You know there are dangers to flying and should help yourselves escape an enflamed fuselage." Where would it end. ..-)

I'm sorry monstertruck, but it's the responsibility to help people in need. Not fund them for the rest of their lives, but help them. It's just the 'good person' in me to know that people need help.

and dmas, I know it is ultimately our responsibility to help ourselves. But it's the government's responsibility to keep us safe from levee breaches, crime, terrorism. You could also say it's our responsibility to defend ourselves against murderers and terrorists. Maybe we should all form militias and do away with the Army. Suburban moms can form their own Mommy Militias. ;-()

also monstertruck: no one is going to leave new orleans because it is under sea level. It can be protected from that. Look at the Dutch. Their entire nation is below sea level but have not been flooded for decades.. longer probably but I'm going by memory. The government decided to protect its nation, people, and history by building a secure and safe flood protection system designed by engineers. I'm sure a poor rural housewife could not design something like that on her own.  ;-()
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Re: Katrina victim sues for $3 quadrillion
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2008, 10:15:17 PM »
Give me a freakin' break!  Now the government is responsible for protecting it's citizens from Mother Nature?!?!?  I think I'm gonna puke. :mad1:

The damn fools.  The taxpayers ARE the government for cryin' out loud.
That concludes my rant for this evening. :zipped:


Well, as a Katrina victim, (I have never lived in New Orleans or the Gulf Coast but we did get a lot of damage) I think it's the government's responsibility to help these people get back on their feet and to ensure this never happens again. As far as having levees strong enough to have endured a strong storm. As for the former, I know there are a lot of FEMA trailer parks that are closing and the people living there are complaining they have no place to go. ..-) They have 2.5 years rent free and haven't saved enough money to rent an apartment or to buy a house or to have somewhere to go.. double ..-) That's what's ridiculous. ;-()
As a taxpayer I couldn't disagree with you more.
Those folks chose to live there knowing full well that area is below sea-level and is prone to hurricaines.  Expecting some man-made contraption to withstand the forces of Mother Nature is foolhardy.  Expecting me to fund such stupidity smacks of Socialism and as you may have guessed by now, I'm not a big fan of the Socialist Democratic Party. ;-()

I'd say your comments of the folks who've lived off the taxpayer for 2.5 years without taking the personal responsibility to rebuild their lives and get off the dole supports the comments I've made.

 




What about if a blizzard stranded you in your home? Shouldn't the government (FEMA) and National Guard help you because you can't help yourself? Or should you and your neighbors dig yourselves out because you live in an area with seriously strong winter weather?

Ultimately, we are each responsible for ourselves. We can't depend on anyone but ourselves and family. In some ways FEMA failed in it's mission. Not because of what it didn't do, but by how quickly it mobilized in doing it. But for every person crying foul in New Orleans because of the flooding, there was another in the Gulfport, or Biloxi, or other towns further north who lost everything. Katrina sat down there. That was where the initial relief efforts rightly went because that was the area of immediate concern. The flooding in New Orleans was a byproduct of Katrina, a devastating by product indeed. But a by product nonetheless.
Suing the government for their own inability to pick up the pieces of their lives after a truly horrendous disaster is not the answer. Anymore than suing McDonald's for making unhealthy hamburgers which we scarf down voluntarily and become less healthy as a result is an answer. In the end the answer is to, as the song says, "pick your self up, dust yourself off, and start all over again."

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Re: Katrina victim sues for $3 quadrillion
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2008, 10:04:27 AM »
It is an infrastructure thing.  Nobody wants to spend endless amounts of money on taxes to make 100% sure that nothing bad could ever happen.....that is not even realistic.  Yet, those same people want to b**ch when some disaster like this happens.  You can't have it perfectly both ways, shiiite will happen..............unfortunately!

Good call on the Dutch under sea level BGT, how did you know that?   

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Re: Katrina victim sues for $3 quadrillion
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2008, 11:39:49 AM »

What about if a blizzard stranded you in your home? Shouldn't the government (FEMA) and National Guard help you because you can't help yourself? Or should you and your neighbors dig yourselves out because you live in an area with seriously strong winter weather?

Also, the wildfire victims. Should the government not help those people because they knew they were living in an area where wildfires could occur? Or people living in tornado alley? What if you were in an airplane and it crashed right after take off. Should no one come to help you because, "You know there are dangers to flying and should help yourselves escape an enflamed fuselage." Where would it end. ..-)

I'm sorry monstertruck, but it's the responsibility to help people in need. Not fund them for the rest of their lives, but help them. It's just the 'good person' in me to know that people need help.

and dmas, I know it is ultimately our responsibility to help ourselves. But it's the government's responsibility to keep us safe from levee breaches, crime, terrorism. You could also say it's our responsibility to defend ourselves against murderers and terrorists. Maybe we should all form militias and do away with the Army. Suburban moms can form their own Mommy Militias. ;-()

also monstertruck: no one is going to leave new orleans because it is under sea level. It can be protected from that. Look at the Dutch. Their entire nation is below sea level but have not been flooded for decades.. longer probably but I'm going by memory. The government decided to protect its nation, people, and history by building a secure and safe flood protection system designed by engineers. I'm sure a poor rural housewife could not design something like that on her own.  ;-()

The last flood in the Neatherlands was 1953. According to Wikipedia "Officially, 1,835 people were killed in the Netherlands, mostly in the south-western province of Zeeland. 307 were killed in the United Kingdom, in the counties of Lincolnshire, Norfolk, Suffolk and Essex. 28 were killed in West Flanders, Belgium". It was the result of a combination of spring high tide and a large storm in the area. Time will tell if, when such a combination of events happen again, changes have solved the problem. My guess is flooding will happen there again, and again, they will persevere.
One reason the Neatherlands can exist (about half the surface area about 1 meter under sea level) as it does, is that it doesn't sit in the path of seasonal hurricanes. That's a big help. The Dutch also are smart about the way they handle the situation. Instead of just blocking the water to keep it from coming in, they created dikes, and paths for it to take. They manage the water as best they can, and prepare for flooding. They deal with it.
There is a price to pay for living under sea level. There is a price to pay in one way or another for living just about anywhere in this world natural disasters happen.
So, are you suggesting that no help arrived at all? There was no relief? I think there was help, and there was a huge effort to help those affected by the floods. It's a big job, and there are going to people who don't get help in time. There is no way to fix every problem that crops up in these kinds of situation. You just have to do the best you can. But still, with the help, each individual needs to do his or her part. I think that was done too. I know my company has a shipyard in New Orleans that was severly flooded. We sent a medical team, and a bunch of people and set up a phone center where employees could call in and get assistance from Textron. Despite that fact that there was basically no place to work as the facilitiy was flooded, no employee was let go, they continued to reciever their paychecks during that downtime. The company paid for, and shipped out trailers for each of the affected employees and paid their utilities for 6 months while they got back on their feet.
Anyway, all this talk about FEMA and the suits are unrelated. Apparently the suites are directed at the US Army Corps of Engineers for not securing the levees, allowing the flooding to happen in the first place.

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Re: Katrina victim sues for $3 quadrillion
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2008, 01:27:30 PM »
dmas, I'm not saying that no help arrived. I live here, and I know what has happened and what hasn't happened. But monstertruck inferred that that since the people knew the risks for living in New Orleans, they shouldn't get help when their own government lets them down saying, "Now the government is responsible for protecting it's citizens from Mother Nature?!?!?"

That's what I disagree on. That's like saying the fire station shouldn't exist because people should be responsible for protecting their homes against fires.



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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2008, 03:26:21 PM »
dmas, I'm not saying that no help arrived. I live here, and I know what has happened and what hasn't happened. But monstertruck inferred that that since the people knew the risks for living in New Orleans, they shouldn't get help when their own government lets them down saying, "Now the government is responsible for protecting it's citizens from Mother Nature?!?!?"

That's what I disagree on. That's like saying the fire station shouldn't exist because people should be responsible for protecting their homes against fires.

I doubt he meant you shouldn't have gotten any help in your troubles. What we do say is that the government gives help as a bridge to re-constructing our lives. We need to take that help and get ourselves back on our feet. After 2+ years if people still have problems it's really on them at this point to get themselves on track.
Yes, that's a generalization, and yes there are likely special cases where this kind of help isn't enough. But there is really no way to completely deal with all of the problems associated with a disaster of Katrina's magnetude.

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Re: Katrina victim sues for $3 quadrillion
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2008, 08:18:36 PM »
Then monstertruck should clarify his comments. :)



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« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2008, 08:19:57 PM »
Then monstertruck should clarify his comments. :)

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« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2008, 08:39:28 PM »
Then monstertruck should clarify his comments. :)

Where has MT been anyway? 

He's been a bit sick recently.

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« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2008, 08:48:58 PM »
Then monstertruck should clarify his comments. :)

Where has MT been anyway? 

He's been a bit sick recently.

No offense to the sick but I would think if I was sick I would be on here more.  What else would I have to do besides puke! 

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« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2008, 08:49:08 PM »
dmas, I'm not saying that no help arrived. I live here, and I know what has happened and what hasn't happened. But monstertruck inferred that that since the people knew the risks for living in New Orleans, they shouldn't get help when their own government lets them down saying, "Now the government is responsible for protecting it's citizens from Mother Nature?!?!?"

That's what I disagree on. That's like saying the fire station shouldn't exist because people should be responsible for protecting their homes against fires.

I doubt he meant you shouldn't have gotten any help in your troubles. What we do say is that the government gives help as a bridge to re-constructing our lives. We need to take that help and get ourselves back on our feet. After 2+ years if people still have problems it's really on them at this point to get themselves on track.
Yes, that's a generalization, and yes there are likely special cases where this kind of help isn't enough. But there is really no way to completely deal with all of the problems associated with a disaster of Katrina's magnetude.

My thoughts exactly, people have to move on and not get used to be taken care of.

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Re: Katrina victim sues for $3 quadrillion
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2008, 12:57:47 AM »
I'm not going to go into a great deal of detail but when analyzing social diliemas one has to be aware that there is no easy answer or simple soloution to these socially constructed issues. There is a cause for every effect. So it's not as simple as people don't want any better or don't try or are simply lazy, there is a root cause but one has to be willing to uncover the root of the social problems. But I find that most people just want easy answers to complicated issues. It's easier to say people are just lazy or not trying or they should know better, than it is to try to uncover the cause for the effect.
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