Yes I believe in past eras there would be more player who could return Roddick's serve. The return of serve, apart from the top group of agassi, federer, hewitt, and safin, are quite weak in the return of serve compared to past generations.
Which players in particular are you thinking of?
It is the weakest part of the mens game today, as shown that so few can return Roddick's serve.
So you're saying that players not being able to easily return the hardest serve in human history proves that the quality of returns are sucking?
Sampras who's serve is overall superior to Roddick's had his serve returned more by more people than Roddick does.
What are you basing this on? I agree that Sampras' first serve may have been the toughest of all time. Roddick's second serve is IMO probably the best I've ever seen. I think.
I agree talent is not all that matters. However you label him being a clear #2 behind Federer for awhile, then being challenged by the #3 and #4, if they are people like Safin and Hewitt is underachieving.
I don't understand this.
I assume when you say he is underachieving you mean with his talent he should be doing better than he is, which I find crazy personaly.
I don't remember saying he's underachieved. Please show me where. In some ways, I agree that he's an overachiever. "In some ways" because I think he still has some big accomplishments coming his way.
I think with his talent, relative to his opponents, his results that last two years are superior than they should be, and he should be praised for surpassing his talent relation to his contemparies, into better than that results, rather than criticized for not doing better.
I guess it depends on how you define talent. I also think that if a guy has the hardest forehand in tennis (not necessarily the best), by far the hardest first serve (arguably the best also), definitely the nastiest second serve, is fit, confident, and has the heart of a lion, to me it's not that incredible that he could be number 1. In many ways I'm more amazed that Guga managed to be number 1 for a year and I love that guy.
You admit Safin is more talented than Roddick, yet Roddick regularly beats him, and surpasses him in total ranking and overall results. So saying he is underachieving does not make sense to me.
Again, show me where I say he is underachieving. I honestly can't remember saying that. I think I said he can still improve.
My personal sense is that he realizes having pressure to be #1 and beat Federer regularly, is too much, because it is too much for him to do, he just cant do it.
Well I guess only he, and perhaps those closest to him truly know for sure.
Okay. Just saying. It seems like you're trying to have it both ways. When you disagree with me you say "well, I guess only Andy knows for sure..." Then you go on to speculate some more. Speculation is fun. I have no problem with it.
I do agree that I think being completely owned by Federer isn't sitting well with Roddick. But unlike you I think he's hopeful that he can turn things around. By all indications it seems to me that he's doing all he can as a professional to change and improve his game enough to challenge Federer.
So he wants to be with somebody who is sort of a friend, who understands that he shouldnt have the pressure to be #1, win slams regularly, and beat Federer repeatedly, that is just isnt likely to happen. I am not saying he isnt trying to win and do well, but that he knows the expectations a coach like Gilbert would have of him are too hard to meet, no matter how hard he works, and he wants somebody who understands that.
You're really taking a lot of creative liberties with interpreting Roddick's moves. From what I've read Brad's basic plan for Roddick seemed to be "hit harder... you can hit serve even harder... you can hit forehand harder..." Plus, I've heard that Brad is very difficult to be around for too long. Andre hasn't come straight out and said Brad is an ass, that I know of, but some in his camp I think have.
What I'm getting at is that if Roddick just can't stand Brad any more, there's just no point in having him for a coach. Traveling with somebody that bugs the s**t out of you will probably do more harm than any good coaching advice can make up for.
Actually I dont think the game needs the personality of somebody who complains, whines, squaks, screeches, cusses, and swears regularly on the court like both Hewitt and Roddick do.
Oh, come on. They pretty much all do that. Agassi turns into a psycho b***h when things don't go his way. Federer still slams his racket. Roddick is one of the best sportsmanship dudes out there.
As for your initial premise, that Roddick should be praised for overachieving, I think there's a lot of truth to that.