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« on: March 17, 2005, 02:27:23 PM »
Just curious who you guys think on the ATP and WTA tours seem to be going up in momentum and performance now, who seem to be dropping at the moment, and who seem to be languishing in the same area.    Keep in mind this does not relate only to their own performance, but how that relates to their competitors.   Here are mine.:

Men-Going Up:

Ivan Ljubicic
Rafael Nadal
Lleyton Hewitt
David Nalbandian


Women-Going Up:

Maria Sharapova
Serena Williams
Natalie Dechy
Conchita Martinez


Men-Staying Level:

Andy Roddick
Carlos Moya
Juan Carlos Ferrero
Marat Safin(one step forward, two set back sort of thing, maybe he watches Ciaras video)
Mikael Youhzny


Women-Staying Level:

Kim Clijsters(no real impression yet in her comeback)
Venus Williams(has been stuck in 4th or 3rd gear for awhile)
Amelie Mauresmo
Daniela Hantuchova


Men-Going Down:

Andre Agassi
Tim Henman
Guilermo Coria
Greg Rusedski
Gustavo Kuerten


Women-Going Down:

Elena Dementieva
Anastatia Myskina
Svetlana Kuznetsova
Jennifer Capriati
Jelena Dokic

      In general the Russian wave apart from Sharapova seems to be fading.

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« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2005, 02:32:45 PM »
Very intersting. I agree with the men going up. Ivans been doing really well and thats great. Rafael too, back to back titles. He has said his focus is on getting points and building up the ranking. Hewitt also working his way up. Nalby im not sure. But he had an impressive run at oz, good match with Hewitt. I wanted him to win.

Conchita may be going up and playing better but i think shes good for upsets. A few titles, tier 2 and 3. No slams. And i think the juniors turned pro are going to do something, Vaidisova, Karatencheva, Krajicek.

I think right now Kim is staying at her level, but within the next year shell be a front runner. I think she can and will beat Sharapova. Maybe not at IW, but shes stll finding her groove. I really hope she wins a slam and gets 1 soon.

I think Dani is moving up and Lena too. Her serve is improving, and Dani is getting that confidence back.
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« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2005, 02:35:53 PM »
Kittens, you hit it right on the money.

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I think right now Kim is staying at her level, but within the next year shell be a front runner. I think she can and will beat Sharapova. Maybe not at IW, but shes stll finding her groove. I really hope she wins a slam and gets 1 soon.


Kim or Maria? I'm going to guess you're talking about Kim. Do you think she fares a better chance of winning a slam now compared to her "prime?"

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« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2005, 02:38:33 PM »
Interesting post.  I am literally running out the door, but I didn;t see Fed's name in any of the categories, where do you place him?
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« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2005, 02:40:24 PM »
When I say Conchita is going up, I mean her play seems to be improving, and she is becoming more dangerous again.   In no way does that mean I think she will seriously contend to win a grand slam again, clearly her game is too old school for that, even on clay.

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« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2005, 02:41:52 PM »
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Kim or Maria? I'm going to guess you're talking about Kim. Do you think she fares a better chance of winning a slam now compared to her "prime?"


Im not sure but i think so. She may have a better chance this year. Justine is still out and is gonna take some time to wrk her way into the tour and get used to stuff. And i think she has a great chance against Maria. Serena im not sure. That could be an intersting match on hardcourt or clay. Grass i think it would be serena. But i hope she does.
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« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2005, 02:46:24 PM »
I would say that Venus is probably going down; just very slowly
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« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2005, 03:02:08 PM »
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I would say that Venus is probably going down; just very slowly


I tend to agree.

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« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2005, 03:57:29 PM »
Good assessment kittens25.  I guess Martinez is going up but it doesn't really matter. Maybe she'll take a few off-guard slackers down as she enjoys this twilight.  On another board I read an interesting theory that Hewitt is actually not as good as he was 2-3 years ago.  And he certainly looked crippled by caution at times in the AO, especially the final.
Also, as an Aussie, I noticed the omission of our shooting star Alicia Molik!
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« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2005, 04:03:11 PM »
I think that Elena Dementieva is definitely going up. Word is her serve looked better than ever at IW and since the beginning of the year she has been spanking all of the top women (Kuznetsova recently and Sharapova earlier in an exhibition come to mind). I think that if she can tame her serve, she will DEFINITELY be in that elite group with Davenport, Serena and Davenport. I have been very impressed with Dementieva lately...

Myskina, I agree is going down. In fact, I dont think she ever really went up. She had a moment but she was never amazing. Dokic went down months ago and isnt coming back anytime soon. Jcap has been injured (probably courtesy of her steroids) and I dont really see her coming back to do any damage. Kuznetsova I cant really say. I think I"d put her in the level group becuz she hasnt really done much since her US OPEN win but then again, she hasnt been losing to people she shouldnt necessarily.

Andre definitely isnt going down. He just stomped Coria last night...I was blown away by his play. Amazing. Coria is coming back from injury but I think he's going to be better when he finally gets back to where he used to be. Rusedski and Kuerten? WHO?

The rest of your stuff I pretty much agree with. I believe Clijsters is coming up tho -- she's still recovering from injury so we gotta respect her time to get back on track. And martinez def isnt going up. She's been garbage and she still is. Nalbandian may be leveling out as well.

The rest of it looks accurate :)

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« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2005, 05:42:55 PM »
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Interesting post.  I am literally running out the door, but I didn;t see Fed's name in any of the categories, where do you place him?
It seems so improbably that somebody like Fed can improve, but I don't see why he's not on his way up.  He's approaching his prime.  If he addresses some fitness issues he's going to be dishing out tennis that will seem like CGI.

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« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2005, 05:51:21 PM »
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It seems so improbably that somebody like Fed can improve, but I don't see why he's not on his way up. He's approaching his prime. If he addresses some fitness issues he's going to be dishing out tennis that will seem like CGI.


He may be approaching his prime in terms of peak play, but in terms of achievement, 2004 may turn out to be his best ever year- he may never again repeat the feat of winning 3/4 slams in a year.

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« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2005, 05:53:16 PM »
I'm not so sure that we've seen Federer's peak. He's coming up to it, but I would still give him another year or two.
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« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2005, 06:01:41 PM »
Venus I think is just staying the same, not really improving anything. I just think the other women are just passing her by. Kim, it's way to early to talk about where her game is she's not match tough. Molik is on the way up, Mirza up, Li na up. The tall Swedish guy who's name I can't remember right now lol, anyway he's going up. Roddick just can't get any better so he's staying the same.
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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2005, 06:25:07 PM »
Also Elena bovina ,Megan shaugnessy, Robby ginepri, James blake, Mardy Fish Grosjean and Paradorn Schrichripan are staying the same.
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« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2005, 06:44:25 PM »
Meghan has been doing a lot better lately i think. Shes been getting further i think. She did give Lindsay a little trouble as i recall. James is going up. I see him in the top 50 or maybe 30. hes 151. Im hoping top 20. I like him and the US needs some more guys.
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« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2005, 07:11:01 PM »
Well to me James game still looks the same. He played a good match against Hewitt but it was still the same high risk tennis. I'm sure he's ranking will improve but to me he's game has stayed the same, so I can't see im doing any better than he already has as far as results. Megan I don't know she has been playing well but I think she's always played well and has had mixed results. I think her game has always been were it is now. I don't see any improvements that I think will take her to the next level. I agree I would like to see some American do well though.
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« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2005, 10:32:37 PM »
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Well to me James game still looks the same. He played a good match against Hewitt but it was still the same high risk tennis. I'm sure he's ranking will improve but to me he's game has stayed the same, so I can't see im doing any better than he already has as far as results.
I totally agree.  As much as I'd like for him to be a top 10 player, I don't see it happening.  His forehand and movement are among the very best but his serve and backhand are just too weak for him to get anywhere.  I read a quote from him stating that he was going to go back to the go-for-broke style that got him as high as 22 two years ago.  That's great... for about half a set, or two.  He'll be pulling off a big win here or there until he retires but I don't think he'll ever crack the top 15.

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« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2005, 08:32:21 AM »
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I think that Elena Dementieva is definitely going up. Word is her serve looked better than ever at IW and since the beginning of the year she has been spanking all of the top women (Kuznetsova recently and Sharapova earlier in an exhibition come to mind). I think that if she can tame her serve, she will DEFINITELY be in that elite group with Davenport, Serena and Davenport. I have been very impressed with Dementieva lately...

Myskina, I agree is going down. In fact, I dont think she ever really went up. She had a moment but she was never amazing. Dokic went down months ago and isnt coming back anytime soon. Jcap has been injured (probably courtesy of her steroids) and I dont really see her coming back to do any damage. Kuznetsova I cant really say. I think I"d put her in the level group becuz she hasnt really done much since her US OPEN win but then again, she hasnt been losing to people she shouldnt necessarily.

Andre definitely isnt going down. He just stomped Coria last night...I was blown away by his play. Amazing. Coria is coming back from injury but I think he's going to be better when he finally gets back to where he used to be. Rusedski and Kuerten? WHO?

The rest of your stuff I pretty much agree with. I believe Clijsters is coming up tho -- she's still recovering from injury so we gotta respect her time to get back on track. And martinez def isnt going up. She's been garbage and she still is. Nalbandian may be leveling out as well.

The rest of it looks accurate :)


With regards to Agassi, given his 6-1, 6-2 loss to Melzer and a 6-3, 6-1 loss to Federer(the former obviously being worse than the latter)I am not going to say he is going up or even not going down simply based on one stomping of a clay court specialist in a Masters Series 4th round.   I take a longer duration than simply one tournament, to begin with, the determine which direction I feel a player is going.   I consider atleast the last few months.  Anyway the tournament isnt even done yet, the worst he can do is a respectable tournament which I wouldnt normally term as him going down, but he would need more than to convince me when you factor in the previous tournaments between Australia and here.