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Offline euroka1

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« on: March 20, 2005, 04:16:28 PM »
Several of us have noticed the large number of bad line calls this last week. It seems to be increasing with the speed of the game. Statistically, I suppose, they average out but they can be critical. Isn't it about time that we went high-tech in this era of fast infromation transfer?

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« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2005, 04:25:11 PM »
i agree 100% I really think they should. And this was an interesting i dea that my dad told me. He use to be a tennis coach at an academy so hes not just spouting off ideas. He thought they should get rid of the linesppl and let players make their own calls and if the other player or the ump wanna dispute it look at the shotspot.
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« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2005, 04:33:14 PM »
Quote from: "Betsmoyo"
i agree 100% I really think they should. And this was an interesting i dea that my dad told me. He use to be a tennis coach at an academy so hes not just spouting off ideas. He thought they should get rid of the linesppl and let players make their own calls and if the other player or the ump wanna dispute it look at the shotspot.
I don't trust shot spot at all.  Others have pointed out that it's been wrong on several occasions.  So, basically, we have a machine that's about as accurate as a human.  What's the point?  

The letting the players call their own shots is not a bad idea IF they had a Mac Cam capable of providing an objective recall for every shot if ever one is disputed (at which point only ATP level events would be able to afford it...).  Because players will be cheating like crazy.  People hooked like crazy in high school and college tennis and there wasn't even money on the line.  Even decent people end up hooking.  The pressure gets to them or they accidentally make the wrong call and don't want to fess up.  If players called their own lines making bad calls would become an art form.

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« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2005, 04:37:08 PM »
Betsmoyo, how do you make your avatar so big (bigger than 80x80)???

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« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2005, 04:58:30 PM »
As long as Henin-hardene is around players should not be allowed to call their own lines.

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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2005, 05:06:42 PM »
You can make the avatars as big as you like, but if they are too big they shorten the message box width for the entire thread.  Betsmoyo's is the largest one in this thread so everyone's post box will be a little smaller to accomodate it.  I wish there was a way to get these PHP Boards to  use a set size but there is not...  I had to disbale one earlier this month because it was HUGE!  I can disable anyone's if need be.  I ask first, but if no response, toasted. :)

I would like to see shot spot used.  Is it the WTT that plans on using it now?  I hope to see it used for the US Open.
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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2005, 06:38:51 PM »
im sorry, do you want me to change it or make it smaller? I dont mind. I dont want to be an inconvenience.
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« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2005, 06:48:13 PM »
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im sorry, do you want me to change it or make it smaller? I dont mind. I dont want to be an inconvenience.
no, I want to make mine bigger.  I didn't know I could exceed 80 by 80 pixels.

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« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2005, 06:51:52 PM »
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im sorry, do you want me to change it or make it smaller? I dont mind. I dont want to be an inconvenience.
no, I want to make mine bigger.  I didn't know I could exceed 80 by 80 pixels.


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« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2005, 07:40:55 PM »
^^^ ****!! lol jk jk jk jk -- Don't have a cow, ChrisTaylor

I think I did hear Billie Jean say that WTT was going to be using the shotspot ( or some variation of it) in WTT. I vaguely remember some menitoning of it possibly being used somewhere else too but I can't recall specifically. Ahh well --

I really dunno how the players or match overseers would konw if the shotspot was wrong. Its not like anybody has millimeter-exact eyesight and hell knows you cant judge if a ball's in by a centimeter on those crappy shotreplays they show. Heck, shotspot may be a gazillionth of an inch off sometimes but I'd prefer that rather than the 3 feet off lineshots that idiot chair-judges call against Serena Williams in the US Open quarterfinals 2004  :whistle:

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« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2005, 09:04:28 PM »
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I really dunno how the players or match overseers would konw if the shotspot was wrong. Its not like anybody has millimeter-exact eyesight and hell knows you cant judge if a ball's in by a centimeter on those crappy shotreplays they show. Heck, shotspot may be a gazillionth of an inch off sometimes but I'd prefer that rather than the 3 feet off lineshots that idiot chair-judges call against Serena Williams in the US Open quarterfinals 2004  :whistle:


Thanks for sharing, folks. I'd like to hear some specific and/or quantitative answer to the above, especially from an official type. Certainly, players and shotspot often agree but it shouldn't be left to the players.

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« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2005, 09:45:01 PM »
I personally would like to see some sort of technology used, but first you must convince me that the calls that Shotspot and others make are 99% accurate.  When that day comes, DO IT!
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« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2005, 09:46:10 PM »
Theres been talk that it will be used in the US Open i certainly hope so.
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« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2005, 09:55:21 PM »
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I personally would like to see some sort of technology used, but first you must convince me that the calls that Shotspot and others make are 99% accurate.  When that day comes, DO IT!


Maybe a salesman can swing by your house and give you a 3 hour demonstration.  :)

I think the more it is used the more accurate they will become as there is a demand for them and for their accuracy.
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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2005, 04:29:43 PM »
After what happened to Serena at the Open last year tennis needs Shotspot.

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« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2005, 05:20:53 PM »
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After what happened to Serena at the Open last year tennis needs Shotspot.


That wasn't about bad line call, that was just a bad call since it got nothing to do with the line or close to the line. The chairwoman was just plain wrong.
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« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2005, 05:29:15 PM »
The problem with shotspot is there are siginficant doubts over its accuracy. There are several different types of hardware being used by different television broadcasters: at the BBC at Wimbledon, they use 'Hawkeye' which I have noticed seems to be pretty accurate. On the opposite end of the quality scale, you have the abysmal 'Tennis Masters Eye' which has been embarresingly wrong on a number of different occasions- there have been times when the computer graphic has shown something completely different from the pictures seen in the T.V replay.

I don't know anything about 'Shotspot', is this a U.S type of technology and at which tournaments has it been used?

I am in favour of using this type of technology regularly at all events, provided it is shown to be reliable at recreating the actual flight of the ball with reasonable accuracy.

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« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2005, 05:29:34 PM »
The Umpire called the shot out because she thougt it was out, if there were technology that would allow someone to challenge that call it would have been overturned. Plus there were many bad calls not just that one. That match is one of the reasons why people are taking the shotspot thing more seriously because of all the bad calls she got that night.

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« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2005, 09:37:21 PM »
I'm not a fan of automated technology, but a challenge system would work best. Max two of them per match. This is sport; the human element aspect of the game has to be involved at its fullest. Sure, umps can make mistakes, but 95% of the time, the right call is being made.

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« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2005, 09:47:52 PM »
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The Umpire called the shot out because she thougt it was out, if there were technology that would allow someone to challenge that call it would have been overturned. Plus there were many bad calls not just that one. That match is one of the reasons why people are taking the shotspot thing more seriously because of all the bad calls she got that night.


It is certainly one of the most memorable points in a while, especially when the ball was way in and Capriati was really close, she had to see where it landed.  And of course this happened not that long after Venus got ripped off a point in a tie breaker at the Big W.  That did not help.
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