if u can hold all your senses together for a minute, try to think once after reading the entire post.......rafa is truly the best of all time on clay without any doubts......because on clay, he is being truly tested the way he needs to be tested for others to arrive at a conclusion on him.all the current players are simply baseline sluggers(the only aspect where they can be compared to the 90s at least with some conviction) who play clay court game round the year on hardcourts too, and that's exactly what is required on clay to make the competition tougher......and moreover rafa's dominating them like nuts, as if they r some twigs and coming out way on top.however good u are, a record of 115-2, that too in a span of 3 yrs is just way beyond anyone's imagination.......obviously, see federer's record too on clay.it's way too bad than it is on other surfaces.now don't tell me he's losing just to rafa......defeats at the hands of volandri, stepanek,gasquet, etc. is very uncharacteristic.....r they any clay court specialists? r they any supreme talents? tell me on what other surfaces they have defeated federer previously from 2004? all this is happening in mere 2 months for us to think that an odd defeat here n there is acceptable.......even in his matches against rafa too, is he giving rafael a run for his money? he's trailing 9-1 against him on clay.just for one rome final, did he ever look like winning against rafa? if he had succeeded in winning at least some 3 or 4 of big matches with the heart of a lion against a champion like rafa on clay, then u can think he's something extraordinary n can be considered for big issues like GOAT.....but contrary to that, he's been tamed like a cow for many time by rafa.......see the obvious, his competiton is tougher on clay, and hence are his results worst on clay.......so, if you ask me to imagine all the clay greats in one era, i tend to think that nadal might at least edge out every one.......
now see the other surfaces.......grass and hardcourts are the surfaces where a player should be tested thoroughly in three main aspects.......i.e., his attack, offense and defense......federer is predominantly a semi-offensive player(not even offensive, mind it) who likes to play it safe around the baseline area without taking much chances and the current players are mere bull-heads who are just playing it right into his hands.they don't even know how to run to the net correctly, let alone them making an aggressive approach and making a winning volley subsequently.at least they ain't even capable of punching the opponents left and right around the baseline like a kafelnikov or agassi used to do (IF THE CURRENT PLAYERS ARE SO CR@P WHY OH WHY YOUNG "CRETIN" YOU ARE NOT OUT THERE PLAYING WITH THEM IF IT IS SO EASY TO BEAT A SEMI OFFENSIVE PLAYER LIKE FED .....federer's game and his approach towards such passive players convinces me to believe that a becker or a rafter would have ripped through his defenses on hards or grass.......maybe you can argue that federer is a great baseliner but he's nothing special at the net. i have seen him volleying many times, he's good at that to an extent, but nothing special.......see nadal-federer matches, you will know about his lack of good volleying skills.nothing special when he is made to make some shoe-lace volleys, lunge-volleys, deep-volleys.good pickers would have picked him off........people always want federer to try something different against nadal but he knows deep-down that he is not that extraordinary at the net.......and added to that misery, nadal once he sees his opponent at the net, always makes his opponent play a shoelace volley first , before going for an outright passing winner straight away unlike other players.......that's why federer's volleying loopholes are exposed greatly against nadal.......
hence, the criterion for federer's hardcourt and grasscourt greatness is not satisfactory by any means.........i agree that there is a lack of clay court specialists these days too......but, the criterion for the clay judgement is satisfactory enough with the presence of numerous baseliners who play predominantly a clay court game on hardcourts too round the year.now that should only make clay court competition relatively tougher than the other surfaces......
So on one side all players are basically playing clay court Tennis during all the season AND in the same time there is no one that is a clay court specialists a part from RAFA.
OK:You are just a clown..
How, you manage to write down this kind of statements it is just beyond believe!!
So, AROD is playing a clay court game even on HC
..Nalbi is doing the same.
.Djoko (in particular, if there is someone that it is an HC player he is him) he is playing a sort of clay court game all around the season .
.And I can continue..Berdy , Bagdy...
IT IS JUST THE CONTRARY IMO: Almost (as I said I do not consider few Spaniard here) all players nowadays have an HC background and this is their main surface even if (thanks to tech IMO) they can play well even outside this surface..
Their tennis is the one best suited for middle fast HC (as I said at the end of the day the most competitive and difficult, in terms of competition, GS to obtain is the USO and by far)..The majority are playing aggressive baseline tennis (thanks, mainly but not only, to the racquet modern technology-go to search what Pete recently said about the modern racquet)..
So, from my point of view all your analysis is wrong.
But given that we disagree even about the evolution of the game: You basically believe that today's Tennis is garbage -a part for the one provided by your Rafa of course
and the one of course of his opponents, IF NOT HOW CAN YOU JUSTIFY THAT IS SUCH A GREAT PLAYER
- and the '90 game was just magnificent
When, at the contrary, I see improvements from the '90 - for instance, today's we get read of specialists in plenty of surface to have finally players who are able to compete during all the season and this is a great plus in my view- so a better game today.
I agree to disagree with you:
You can just continue to believe that today's tennis is garbage and '90 was so beautiful (funny you did not follow live a lot of Tennis there at that time..But OK there were your cusins at that time
I simply believe your opinion is wrong and I am entitled to have this opinion.
BTW: You wrote: FED's records on clay it's way too bad than it is on other surfaces..
..What about the record of your GOAT, Pete..I mean how double standard you can be it is just beyond believe..
Even worst: "even in his matches against Rafa too, is he giving rafael a run for his money? he's trailing 9-1 against him on clay.just for one rome final, did he ever look like winning against rafa? if he had succeeded in winning at least some 3 or 4 of big matches with the heart of a lion against a champion like rafa on clay, then u can think he's something extraordinary n can be considered for big issues like GOAT"..
TWO remarks here: 1. (Historical) Was Pete able to do that? Did he even manage to have more than 1-2 Great matches-IN THE MAIN CLAY EVENT, i.e. RG- against GOAT clay candidates (e.g. Muster, Brugera, Guga) court specialist in his career? I tell you the answer is NO..
He was meeting them time to time outside clay but on clay he had 1-2 meetings at the max with very bad results at should say!!
Still it is your GOAT..Double standard because you are asking 3-4 VICTORIES to FED against RAFA IN ORDER TO BECOME A GOAT? Why this is a criteria for FED and not for PETE? Yes Pete was playing in the '90, HE WAS BETTER AND BLA AND BLA..Cretin
2. (PRESENT) Is someone out there to have a better H2H against Rafa on clay? Who? Who is the man who end the amazing run of Rafa on clay last year at Hamburg..Who was, one of the few, who pushed him in a 5 sets match: FED !! What the hell you are talking about : Your "opinion" would be a valid one if there was someone out there challenging Rafa on clay ..But there is no one..
And this is because he is ALREADY AN ALL TIME GREAT ON CLAY full stop as FED HE is ALREADY AN ALL TIME GREAT OUT (with) clay- THIS IS A FACT AND YOU HAVE TO DIGEST THAT: FED's DOMINATION IN THE LAST 4 YEARS WAS JUST AMAZING.-